Two US States Restrict Used CD Sales 500
DrBenway sends us to Ars Technica for a report that Florida and Utah have placed draconian restrictions on the sale of used music CDs; Wisconsin and Rhode Island may soon follow suit. In Florida, stores have to hold on to CDs for 30 days before they can sell them — for store credit only, not cash. Quoting: "No, you won't spend any time in jail, but you'll certainly feel like a criminal once the local record shop makes copies of all of your identifying information and even collects your fingerprints. Such is the state of affairs in Florida, which now has the dubious distinction of being so anal about the sale of used music CDs that record shops there are starting to get out of the business of dealing with used content because they don't want to pay a $10,000 bond for the 'right' to treat their customers like criminals."
This is why fark has a Florida tag (Score:5, Insightful)
hmph... hello FTC? (Score:5, Insightful)
This law would have mattered... (Score:2, Insightful)
Just dump 'em on ebay (Score:5, Insightful)
Garth Brooks won??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Since I have always only bought used CDs, I guess now I will need to start downloading and burning all my music instead. No way I'm paying $20 for 2 good songs, and I don't want an ipod.
Re:wow (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is why fark has a Florida tag (Score:2, Insightful)
They want your money any way they can get it. After you've bought your CD it is yours so instead of selling it to some stupid store sell it to your buddy.
A fancy way for these guys to get around the restriction. Heres a $10 voucher for store credit... Dont worry you can redeem it for cash after this transaction is over. Boom all nice and legal like after all its two separate transactions.
Buying Used records is STEALING (Score:2, Insightful)
After all, you've acquired a copy of the songs, but the artist has recieved no compensation from you.
*sighs* These people just do not understnad some conecpts integral to society (reuse, second hand sales, etc).
CDs are more dangerous than GUNS??? (Score:4, Insightful)
What THE HELL is wrong with this country???
Re:What a bunch of fucking idiots. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:hmph... hello FTC? (Score:3, Insightful)
(Not that I'm saying that the expansion of Interstate Commerce is a good thing, but if they can stop Californians from getting marijuana despite state laws making it legal, you'd think they could enforce FTC restrictions over the will of a bunch of asshat legislators in Florida.)
A reminder (Score:4, Insightful)
Rip 'n Sell (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems like the days of the used CD store are almost gone anyway. Despite the DRM politics, it's awfully convenient to buy online. And with CDs so easy to rip and resell, used CD stores are little more than rent-to-steal shops these days.
Ah wonderful (Score:4, Insightful)
For the record, I was buying back CDs at a used record store in Washington State in the early nineties. We required photo ID. We wrote the information on your photo ID in a Big Scary Book. After we bought your CDs, we held on to them for 30 days. Then, after 30 days, we typically sold them. And it was no big deal. Didn't hurt business, didn't scare customers. Didn't have a damn thing to do with filesharing (I don't believe the original Napster existed yet). We caught a decent number of CD thieves by matching sales of odd CDs to lists of stolen CDs. It worked to everyone's benefit except maybe the thieves.
By the way, it's Really Freaking Obvious when someone's selling stolen goods. Seriously. We're checking the lists of stolen CDs before they even walk out the door. Thieves are idiots, and not subtle idiots either.
These laws are similar. They include a fingerprint provision presumably to combat fake ID's. I think that bit is unneccessary and odious (because, in my experience, we were able to catch all of our fake-ID-using thieves because they kept coming back). It requires a business permit. Sigh, whatever. It requires trading for store credit rather than cash. That's stupid--people selling their old CDs hardly ever want store credit, even if the value of that store credit is more than the cash. Reason? People sell their old CDs with "I'll finally dump these old CDs" on their mind. Buying new CDs is typically not what they want to do. We offered trade or cash to people, and most chose cash.
So it's basically a dumber version of a law that has existed for over a decade in my state. Big freakin' deal.
Re:CDs are more dangerous than GUNS??? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Perhaps you can stop the crooks from stealing (Score:5, Insightful)
Follow the money? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who Cares (Score:1, Insightful)
Do your own thing! THINK for yourself!
It's not your right to be entertained. If you don't enjoy something anymore, don't use or pay for it anymore! It doesn't give you a right to steal it!
What I'm hearing from a lot of losers that are in my generation:
"I cant live without being constantly entertained!! What will I do if I cant fill my Ipod and ears with music for infinity???"
Bunch of Ipod wearing, ADD havin', short attention spanned crybabies.
You don't have to be entertained constantly!!! Support your local artists directly!
Read a book! Write your congressman! Get involved in your local community!
Get to know your neighbors & find out who plays locally! Hanging out playing music is way more fun than buying music off ebay. Singing along with other people, in real life, gosh, what a concept.
Try to charge royalties on that one RIAA. Maybe you should patent standing around a burn-barrel singing.
- out
Steve
Great idea! (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, wait..
No.
It won't.
Duh.
Re:CDs are more dangerous than GUNS??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Holy SHIT that sucks. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:CDs are more dangerous than GUNS??? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Rip 'n Sell (Score:1, Insightful)
Does anyone know of someone who does buy, rip and sell on? I'd be interested to know.
This law is ridiculous, its that simple.
Re:this does NOT suck (Score:5, Insightful)
Anti consumer, anti business. Pro RIAA.
I guess Craigslist will get a surge for CD sellers/buyers in those states for the time being.
Once they criminialze your average Joe from selling used CDs person-to-person like it's a controlled substance, the pitchforks and torches will come out.
Re:Who Cares (Score:5, Insightful)
What exactly are you getting at here? A used record is just a used record. You can buy a Britney Spears CD today and sell it tomorrow as used. It's not your right to be entertained. If you don't enjoy something anymore, don't use or pay for it anymore! It doesn't give you a right to steal it!
But we are talking about buying real CDs, are we not? With your reasoning, would it also be illegal to give away CDs that you have already purchased? You don't have to be entertained constantly!!! Support your local artists directly!
Maybe your friends need it. I have no friend who needs 24/7 entertainment. Support my local artists? I listen mostly to radio music and don't give a shit about local artists. Why should I support them just because they create music? In that case, I want them to support me because I am a graphical artists. I demand that they buy my paintings.
The issue is not that we don't want artists to get paid. Quite frankly, there is a lot of great music that is not produced by "local bands" and I like diversity. I don't mind paying for it, but I refuse to sign a contract on what I may and may not do once I purchase a CD. If I have bought it, I want to be able to sell it to anyone I want without having anyone watching my back.
Re:rubbish (Score:2, Insightful)
You could have filed for a temporary restraining order (against selling them) on nothing more than the fact that you were willing to testify before a judge and jury that this was your property. You could have compelled the pawnbroker to identify the source of the merchandise, and if he could not do so, the judgement would have defaulted in your favor.
Moderators... what the hell? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ah wonderful (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorry to get all 'if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem', but music rights, and the rights of media ownership is one of THE big issues of our cultural age, even if it's not addressed as seriously or as fairly as I'd like.
P.S. I never realised about keeping names and IDs for theft checking, legitamate theft that is. That's a sane reason to have those measures so TY for explaining.
-c
Re:CDs are more dangerous than GUNS??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:this does NOT suck (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Stealing? Maybe. But from whom? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:this does NOT suck (Score:1, Insightful)
The person (?) who modded this is a moron. [Yes, that is flamebait - so what.]
Now, I had not thought about craigslist. That is an intersting idea. The other place - perhaps is garage sales. We also have a place called Half-Priced Books. About 10% of their sales are through this. (They buy and resell used books.) I get old jazz and classical music from them. The record companies dump CDs that they can't sell there.
Personally I cannot stand what they currently call music. The stuff that I grew up with is SO old it is pathetic. I think that this is the real reason that record sales are down so much. It has nothing to do with illegal downloads.
Re:Holy SHIT that sucks. (Score:5, Insightful)
That doesn't make sense. How could there possibly be enough evidence to convict somebody of stealing them, but not any evidence that they were yours?
Re:What a bunch of fucking idiots. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:wow (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:wow (Score:3, Insightful)
No torches, same voting. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Still inaccurate (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds better with no qualifiers.
Re:this does NOT suck (Score:4, Insightful)
And the reason why we're just going to bend over and take it is the same reason why we're grabbing ankles for the DMCA: the politicians that make the laws were bought and paid for a long time ago and they aren't available for purchase in the aftermarket.
Re:This law would have mattered... (Score:3, Insightful)
Wow, I didn't realize you were the only person who ever bought CDs.
Therefore, the law clearly doesn't matter.
protip: The world doesn't revolve around you, buddy. Other people do buy and sell used CDs.