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Obama's MySpace Drama 483

fistfullast33l writes "TechPresident, which is covering the use of technology by Presidential Campaigns for 2008, has a very interesting article on how Obama's MySpace page is currently the subject of an underground battle for control by the campaign itself and the volunteer who created it in 2004. Joseph Anthony worked with the campaign initially and grew the site to include over 160,000 unsolicited friends that the campaign could use to reach out to. It currently is the main Obama page in the Impact Channel on MySpace. However, as Obama's campaign became more centralized and formal, the decision was made to attempt to acquire control of the site from Anthony. They asked him for a price, which he offered up as $49,000 plus part of the $10,000 fee paid to MySpace for the Impact Channel. Obama balked at the price, and decided to start afresh rather than pay the money. The fight broke out into the open when Anthony posted a response on his blog to rumors that the campaign was spreading regarding him wanting to cash out. MyDD has more."
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Obama's MySpace Drama

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  • 404 Not Found (Score:3, Informative)

    by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @12:17PM (#18958147) Journal
    Well, Anthony's comment has already been removed, along with the "page missing page".
  • Remember Obama (Score:2, Informative)

    by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @12:29PM (#18958341) Journal
    Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act. That is unforgivable, and he deserves nothing but contempt for it. To consider him as worthy is a mistake. If you want freedom, then vote for somebody who wants to protect it, unconditionally.
  • Definitely Not Scum (Score:3, Informative)

    by mauriatm ( 531406 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @12:29PM (#18958343) Homepage
    You're not a presidential hopeful with millions in campaign money in your pocket.

    Read the techPresident link:
    http://www.techpresident.com/node/301 [techpresident.com]

    This is Joe Anthony.

    This is not blackmail and I'm not a "squatter".

    They wanted the profile and asked me to propose a fee, and indicated that Myspace was ok with this. I have no experience making such proposals and had no idea what to ask for.

    I proposed a fee, and now they're accusing me of looking for a "big payday".

    This is not blackmail. This is not me cashing in on the profile.

    I do not believe that one person on that profile, who has personally witnessed the close personal attention I've dedicated to this community since 2004 would disagree with this.


    There is some sincerity. Everyone sees $49,000 and just jumps to conclusions. He's being asked for a number to give up 2.5 years worth of work. And he told the truth. Apparently the Obama team didn't even bother with negotiating at all. They ignored him and took the high handed approach. Very disrespectful.
  • His profile (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @01:14PM (#18959129)
    I didn't know the guy was named Barack Obama.

    If you read the mySpace terms of service, you can't pretend to be someone else.
  • Re:Bill Richardson (Score:5, Informative)

    by valkraider ( 611225 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @01:24PM (#18959269) Journal
    As far as the war, Richardson wants a complete withdrawal with ZERO residual troops by the end of 2007.
    Richardson on some issues. [richardson...sident.com]

    As far as Patriot Act:

    "It is important, especially now that Congress is evaluating the impact of the Patriot Act, that we send the message that New Mexico opposes the infringement of civil rights and liberties," said Governor Bill Richardson. "The United States can fight the war against terrorism without eroding America's precious freedoms."
    Governor Bill Richardson and Attorney General Patricia Madrid Oppose U.S. Patriot Act provisions [state.nm.us]

    Prohibition? I am not sure what you mean there. Do you mean the drug war? Well he signed the Medicinal Marijuana bill in NM, and he has pushed for drug treatment before prosecution. But he has also pushed for minimum sentences for dealers, and supports parts of the war on drugs. So I guess maybe he is in the middle of the road with regards to the drug war.

    I am not sure about IP.

    This site has a lot of information, although I cannot say if it is to be 100% trusted as I didn't look too hard to see who funds it. On The Issues [ontheissues.org]. It also appears that some of their information is a little out dated.

    Bill Richardson is the most qualified and most electable candidate we have at this time. Obama, or Clinton would be disasters.
  • by inkedgeek ( 1067346 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @01:51PM (#18959689)
    Washington ruins most women. [been one year and already seeing that]
  • by popejeremy ( 878903 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @01:59PM (#18959837) Homepage

    Except your analogy is flawed because the "motorcycle" in question, a myspace.com profile, never belonged to this guy in the first place.

    Everything on myspace.com belongs to NewsCorp, and they say so very openly. Taking the 30 seconds to register a username on myspace doesn't give you ownership of the page that is generated with that username in it anymore than registering a username on slashdot.org gives you ownership of slashdot.org.

    Myspace.com has an established history of taking usernames that are the same as celebrity names and simply handing them over to the celebrities. The issue is even in their TOS.

    Obama's campaign didn't steal anything here. It belonged to myspace.com all along, and myspace.com did what they did in every other case where similar thing happened. They took the famous name and gave it to the person who is actually named that. This dude just made the mistake of believing that his little piece of myspace.com was actually his, when it never was to begin with.

  • by Heywood J. Blaume ( 858386 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @02:27PM (#18960293)
    This is false. You are not allowed to deduct time spent or professional services donated to a non-profit or charity. I don't have time to look up actual tax code, but the google search "IRS Rules donate in kind" returned this among many links: This Link [bargaineering.com]
  • It's a freaking myspace page. Of his 160,000 "friends," how many are over 18? Perhaps 25%? Of those 40,000, how many are registered? Even a quarter of those? I doubt it. Maybe an eighth. So of those 5,000, how many actually care enough to vote? Probably half.

    Well, doing a quick Google search on 'myspace demographics' shows conflicting information. Some pages say that over 75% of the MySpace population is over 18 [1]. Meanwhile, another site is saying over half of MySpace is over thirty five [2]. Even pulling numbers out of my ass (much like you did) and assuming that a significant portion of of the people who show up as over 18 are lying, it still looks like much more than 25% of the "friends" from this page are over 18.

    Likewise, looking at US census info shows just about 50% of 18-24 year olds were registered for to vote by November 2004 while around 40% actually voted [3].

    So lets do some math with this new data. You said of the 160,000 friends this page had, only around 2500 will actually vote. Of the 160,000 around 120,000 (160,000*.75) are over 18. Of those, the national turnout (again, the US Census) was at around 58% in 2004. 58% of 120,000 is just under 70,000 people who, statistically, will probably vote. At the asking price of $49,000 for the MySpace page, that's less than a dollar a voter - a good buy for any politician.

    But lets go a step further and look at just the 18-24 demographic (from links 1 and 2 somewhere around 18% of MySpace). So around 29,000 friends of the 160,000 are 18-24, of which around 40% will actually vote. So over 10,000 friends age 18-24 who will actually vote. That's still only a couple dollars per voter, not bad for a campaign, and ignores all the other voters who are over 24.

    Now, I know, I've made a lot of assumptions doing this back-of-the-envelope math: all the data (both about MySpace and about US voters) is accurate, all the MySpace users are in the United States, and trends will continue like they did in the 2004 election. But for all the assumptions that my estimates are high, you could make an equal argument that they're low. That is, you could argue that people registered as friends of Obama are more likely to vote than the population as a whole.

    My point is, your original guess (about 2500 who are 18+ and will actually vote out of the original 160,000 friends) seems to be off by 65,000 voters (not registered voters, but people who will vote). In fact, there are more voters out of those 160,000 who are 18-24 than your original guess for all people over the age of 18.

    Feel free to correct my math or my assumptions. I had fun doing this, but would someone else come along and correct me than let something incorrect stand.
    -Trillian

    [1] http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11967 [zdnet.com]
    [2] http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=10 19 [comscore.com]
    [3] http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/votin g/cps2004.html [census.gov] Look at table 11, Reported Voting and Registration, by Marital Status, Age, and Sex: November 2004.
  • (This is a repost of something I wrote near the bottom of the page, in the hopes it'll actually get seen...)

    From allison

    It's a freaking myspace page. Of his 160,000 "friends," how many are over 18? Perhaps 25%? Of those 40,000, how many are registered? Even a quarter of those? I doubt it. Maybe an eighth. So of those 5,000, how many actually care enough to vote? Probably half.


    Well, doing a quick Google search on 'myspace demographics' shows conflicting information. Some pages say that over 75% of the MySpace population is over 18 [1]. Meanwhile, another site is saying over half of MySpace is over thirty five [2]. Even pulling numbers out of my ass (much like you did) and assuming that a significant portion of of the people who show up as over 18 are lying, it still looks like much more than 25% of the "friends" from this page are over 18.

    Likewise, looking at US census info shows just about 50% of 18-24 year olds were registered for to vote by November 2004 while around 40% actually voted [3].

    So lets do some math with this new data. You said of the 160,000 friends this page had, only around 2500 will actually vote. Of the 160,000 around 120,000 (160,000*.75) are over 18. Of those, the national turnout (again, the US Census) was at around 58% in 2004. 58% of 120,000 is just under 70,000 people who, statistically, will probably vote. At the asking price of $49,000 for the MySpace page, that's less than a dollar a voter - a good buy for any politician.

    But lets go a step further and look at just the 18-24 demographic (from links 1 and 2 somewhere around 18% of MySpace). So around 29,000 friends of the 160,000 are 18-24, of which around 40% will actually vote. So over 10,000 friends age 18-24 who will actually vote. That's still only a couple dollars per voter, not bad for a campaign, and ignores all the other voters who are over 24.

    Now, I know, I've made a lot of assumptions doing this back-of-the-envelope math: all the data (both about MySpace and about US voters) is accurate, all the MySpace users are in the United States, and trends will continue like they did in the 2004 election. But for all the assumptions that my estimates are high, you could make an equal argument that they're low. That is, you could argue that people registered as friends of Obama are more likely to vote than the population as a whole.

    My point is, your original guess (about 2500 who are 18+ and will actually vote out of the original 160,000 friends) seems to be off by 65,000 voters (not registered voters, but people who will vote). In fact, there are more voters out of those 160,000 who are 18-24 than your original guess for all people over the age of 18.

    Feel free to correct my math or my assumptions. I had fun doing this, but would someone else come along and correct me than let something incorrect stand.
    -Trillian

    [1] http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11967 [zdnet.com]
    [2] http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=10 19 [comscore.com]
    [3] http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/votin g/cps2004.html [census.gov] Look at table 11, Reported Voting and Registration, by Marital Status, Age, and Sex: November 2004.
  • by BitterAndDrunk ( 799378 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @02:45PM (#18960647) Homepage Journal
    The site you see with the "official Barack profile" is the hijacked one.

    The unofficial one is the second one down, with 160,000 friends. (If you search for Barack Obama) Currently it can be accessed here [myspace.com].

  • Re:Foolish (Score:5, Informative)

    by dantheman82 ( 765429 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @03:00PM (#18960869) Homepage
    A few comments I read in the techPresident blog [techpresident.com] that sum up my sentiments well (from RickRussellTX)...
    Guys, step back and read the actual text
    This whole "Anthony is a greedy schmuck" and "the Obama campaign tripped up" debate is a bunch of malarky. Read what was actually written:

    (1) Campaign staffers had become concerned about the currency and accuracy of information on the site.

    (2) Anthony was overworked and suggested that they should make him a consultant.

    (3) They said they would rather have a one-time transfer, and he should name a price.

    (4) He picked a number. They said no and went to MySpace management for resolution.

    (5) MySpace came up with an eminently equitable solution. Mr. Anthony has been given the opportunity to build the site again with a different URL and full transfer of his friends list.

    It's as simple as that. He's not a greedy bastard. They asked him to pick a number. Obama staffers are not bumbling idiots; they tried a couple of approaches, things weren't working out, and ultimately they decided to run the site themselves.

    MySpacegate, indeed. Surely we can focus on the actual issues, and not this cyber-distraction?
  • Re:404 Not Found (Score:3, Informative)

    by JhohannaVH ( 790228 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @05:21PM (#18963315) Journal
    Here you are.... I KNEW they would nuke it, so I put a copy on my blog. Here's the text with the letter to techpresident.com

    Tuesday, May 01, 2007



    5.01.01 What happened to the Obama profile? Current mood: disappointed

    Friends,

    Many of you are probably wondering what happened to the Obama profile. The campaign, with the help of Myspace, have seized control of the profile without my consent, and are using it to refer traffic to a new profile they created. I have been blocked from having access to the profile. The campaign will probably have a different perspective on the events leading up to this, but until my personal profile is deleted, I'm going to take a stand on this. I believe what they did is just wrong, and someone should say something.

    Here is an email I sent to Micah at techpresident.com. Any questions, let me know:



    Thanks Micah,

    I want to be careful about this, but also I think it's unfair that they deleted this community when they could have left it up as an unofficial fan site as it has been for the last two and a half years. The campaign may say that this was my decision, and this is not true.

    I did want to be paid, if we were to continue working together . This was not an attempt to use this profile for commercial purposes. This was an attempt to keep working my ass off on this profile, for Barack Obama, and for the enormous community of supporters on Myspace.

    Since January, as you may know, and as many in the Myspace community know, I've been working on the page around the clock. I started this profile in November of 2004 and it grew steadily since then. In January and February the media started to notice, and I began to work even harder because I reallized what an impact the Myspace could really have.

    People were actually registering to vote, making contributions, asking questions, putting banners on their pages, etc. I know this because I constantly received emails about this, and I replied to every single one to thank them or point them in the right direction if they needed more information.

    The campaign got involved in February and although at first it was very exciting, it quickly became clear that they just had no interest in me or my involvement. They only wanted to take control of the profile and get on with it. I bit the bullet for a while and kept working for the good of the campaign, but they quickly went from passive aggressive, to aggressive, and then eventually just rotten and dishonest.

    For the past few weeks, the campaign decided it would be better if they just took control of the profile and we decided to try to come to some agreement. By this time, I didn't have quite as much respect for the campaign guys, and frankly felt like I was just being used. They knew about this profile the entire time, and really just waited until it got enough media coverage and friends request so they could step in and bully me out of it.

    The last few weeks were just insane. They kept scheduling phone conferences with me, I would wake up early that day after barely sleeping the night before, I'd take time off work, etc. and each after another would be postponed at the last minute. This went on for weeks.

    It got to the point where I didn't feel comfortable turning the profile over to the campaign unless they paid for it. This was largely symbolic. The same campaign that inspired me to work so hard to build this community, the same campaign whose underlying message stresses "the power of the individual to have an impact on politics", was constantly downplaying my role in this, bullying me, and a couple of other things that were just rotten and dishonest (specifically in connection with Myspace, and the campaign quashing a recent NPR interview about the profile).

    In a conversation with Chris from the campaign last week or the week before, Chris suggested a one-time fee to transfer over the profile to them and that they discus

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