Resolution To Impeach VP Cheney Submitted 1202
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has submitted a resolution, HR 333, to impeach VP Dick Cheney on charges of "high crimes and misdemeanors." The charges were submitted on 24 April 2007. Congressman Kucinich has posted his supporting documents online, including a brief summary of the impeachment procedure (PDF), a synopsis (PDF), and the full text (PDF) of the impeachment resolution.
Yep, it will fly... (Score:3, Informative)
...but the problem is, this guy has less crediblity than the late Henry B. Gonzalez (D) San Antonio, TX who, on an almost monthly basis called for a Reagan impeachment all through the 80's.
This is nothing more than a political stunt, and only half a degree more effective than the Olympia city clownsil (Washington) passing a resolution calling for the impeachment of Bush.
Re:Unwinnable (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Unwinnable (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I don't get it (Score:3, Informative)
Resolutions are labeled "H.Res." (Score:3, Informative)
Official text of the bill... (Score:3, Informative)
Not that I don't trust a politician to faithfully present God's honest truth or anything, but here is the actual text of the resolution:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.res .00333: [loc.gov]
Re:Article III: Rattling Sabers at the Iranians (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Unwinnable (Score:3, Informative)
Article 1: Why stop at Cheney? (Score:3, Informative)
George Bush
John McCain
John Kerry
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Robert Byrd
Sandy "nothing in my underpants" Berger
Madeline "Kim Jung Ill seems a nice guy" Albright
Carl Levin
Ted Fscking Kennedy
Al Gore and a HOST of others...
It begs the question why Kusinich is picking on Dick only?
Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam H
Re:Nothing on major new sites??? (Score:3, Informative)
link [washingtonpost.com]
link [latimes.com]
link [yahoo.com]
link [go.com]
link [cnn.com]
link [nytimes.com]
It's not on the front page for most of the MSM right now because Slashdot is two days behind the news cycle on this one.
Took about 2 minutes to find those stories and provide links. Easier to believe it's a corporate media conspiracy eh? I could provide a few hundred more but you truthers aren't worth the time.
Re:Unwinnable (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, some of this was after Adams' party, the Federalists, voted to make it illegal for Jefferson's party, the Democrat-Republicans, to criticize the Federalists. And people went to jail for it.
Re:Unwinnable (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Article III: Rattling Sabers at the Iranians (Score:3, Informative)
Okay, let's check Wikipedia. Pahlavi reign 1941-1979. You're quote, "In 1951, a nationalist politician, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh rose to prominence." How can you say Pahlavi was later?
What I said perfectly fits with the Wikipedia entry, including that we assisted the Shah in stopping Soviet expansion, in this case through the banned Tudeh communist party. Pahlavi approved Mossadegh twice, but had to get rid of him once he gained substantial authoritarian powers and started working with the Tudeh party and implementing communist doctrines, going down the road to being a Soviet satellite state.
You know, the Soviets and Iraq under Saddam held democratic elections all the time, and so does China today. That doesn't/didn't make their leaders any good or reflect on a free democratic state.
I take this one step further.. (Score:4, Informative)
maybe instead of allowing news pundits in the ivory tower to scare them off their populist positions, candidates for the left should plough forward and see what kind of interest they can develop in the 250+ million people who didn't vote in the last few elections because the only candidates to choose from were a corporate schill and a corporate schill who happens to be christian.
Re:Partisan politics isn't getting worse... (Score:5, Informative)
The idea of a "red state" and a "blue state" is fallacious. Almost every county in the past presidential election broke right down the middle, except for a few counties in the heart of Kansas and Utah which were solidly red and some in California and New York that were solidly blue.
So that tells me that the divide is less between states and more between people. The red vs. blue idea is counterproductive, and is only peddled by talking-head pundits (for whom I have zero respect) to create conflict and thereby create a news story.
Re:Take the Inheritence Tax (Score:3, Informative)
Let us also not forget that the estate tax does not mean that the wealthy forfeit *all* their wealth upon death.
quoted from Wikipedia:
Careful about dates (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why only the Vice President? (Score:3, Informative)
Someone else asked why Kucinich targeted Cheney but not Cheney's boss. "There's a practical reason," the congressman explained. "If we were to start with the president and pursue articles of impeachment, Mr. Cheney would then become president. . . . You would then have to go through the constitutional agony of impeaching two presidents consecutively."
Re:That's absurd (Score:3, Informative)
Link to numbers [surveyusa.com]
Re:Article 1: Why stop at Cheney? (Score:3, Informative)
Those quotes dating from before 2000 referred to WMDs in past-tense, and were basically restating the US' commitment to continue enforcing the embargo, to prevent Hussein the resources needed to develop new WMDs... I wonder, when did Clinton and Albright claim Hussein was developing nuclear weapons, and had ties to Al Queda? I can give you plenty of quotes from the Bush administration, making exactly those claims...
Also, by 98, some of those stored (pre-Desert Storm) chemical weapons Iraq possessed may still have been lethal... They absolutely certainly weren't by 2003, though.
Re:Nothing in the mainstream news (Score:1, Informative)
Look again. Admittedly, I had to search for the right terms to find it. HR 333 doesn't yield anything useful.
What has been interesting to read about are some of the stories surrounding this introduction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
The article above paints a very weak and dingy picture of the man pushing the resolution. It indicates that he's essentially standing alone on this initiative while others are calling this a weak attempt at boosting his name in his presidential bid for 2008. While I don't see the connection between the two, I think it would say a lot more if he dropped his bid for president in order to pursue this action.
This news isn't being discussed on the public airways. I don't expect it to be until it actually takes hold. We know who owns the media and they don't care to have the public voicing its opinion in favor of impeachment. Ultimately, with the current approval ratings of the current executive office, it wouldn't be difficult to imagine the public rallying behind the initiative. By not publishing information about the story, it has a chance to die of unpopularity before it goes anywhere.
Re:Article 1: Why stop at Cheney? (Score:3, Informative)
"The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.
13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes."
"Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."
"The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals.
"I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.
Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.
There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991."
Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003
Re:Partisan politics isn't getting worse... (Score:3, Informative)
Ireland is known to be extremely Catholic and conservative compared to the rest of Europe. But it's a good point: Europe isn't one big homogeneous place; the different countries can be extremely different. Italy and Germany are extremely different, though geographically they're probably about as far apart as Texas and Arizona.
Religious education is a manditory part of British schooling.
Really? What about all the Muslims that comprise a large part of Britain's population? Is this education the type that pushes any one religion, such as a Bible study class, or is it more like a "comparative religion" class? If it's the latter, I don't see how that would be illegal in the US as long as it doesn't advocate any religion, and only teaches about the different religions.
The U.S. government spends more per capita on public health and health care than any country in the world.
Are you sure about that? If it's true, then it's probably because too much money is wasted on overpriced pharmaceuticals and on care for the uninsured. Health care costs have skyrocketed in this country in the past few decades. There's definitely a lot of room to fix the current situation while lowering costs.
Freedom of Speech? Insulting a religion is a crime in most European countries... Most European countries have far more speech regulations than the U.S..
This is true. But I don't think anyone with a clue has any illusions of speech being more free in Europe. It's well-known there's laws there prohibiting any Nazi-type speech, or even just selling Nazi artifacts from WWII on Ebay. I'd say free speech is probably one of the best things about the USA compared to other countries, better than any other country I can think of.
It's pretty galling that insulting a religion is a crime there though. That must depend on the religion and the country, though. It's certainly not illegal to insult Scientology in Germany, for instance, since Scientology is illegal there. And it's not illegal to insult Islam in Denmark, where those cartoons were published. Considering that Europe is, in general, less religious than the US, I'm surprised they still have laws like that there.
Re:Yep, it will fly... (Score:4, Informative)
But bottom line, check your facts, and his voting record. You owe an apology.
Re:What's wrong with Loose Change? (Score:1, Informative)
* Also see this poll [angus-reid.com] which shows that only 16% believe Bush is telling the truth about 9/11.
You could also check out this presentation by Dr. Steven Jones, Physicist [youtube.com] at UT Austin, where he first revealed evidence of the presence of thermite on debris samples recovered from an apartment building near Ground Zero. The peer-reviewed paper is forthcoming, and will prove once and for all that all 3 buildings that collapsed in NYC on 9/11 were demolished by explosives.
Finally, you can look to Pilots for 9/11 Truth [pilotsfor911truth.org] for evidence that the flight data recorder data that they received from a FOIA request matches neither the animations they received, nor the downed light poles, nor the eyewitness testimony from Pentagon security officers of the flight path. One or more of those pieces of evidence were fabricated by somebody working for our government. Why would they do that if they were not covering something up? The flight recorder data ends at 180 feet altitude. The Pentagon is only 40 feet tall, and is 40 feet above sea level. How does a plane crash at about 100 feet above its target? The direction and pitch also do not match the other evidence. Watch it for yourself. Pilots for 9/11 Truth is just getting started. More videos and documents will be available soon.
The small groups of "Screw Loose Change" and other debunkers will be very busy over the next few months trying to debunk all these groups of professionals* with hard evidence. Good luck to them at getting more than their current fraction of web traffic that the 9/11 Truth sites get. They are helpful to people like you when you want to brush off the actual evidence though, no? So I guess they serve their purpose of distraction.
* Also see Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth [ae911truth.org] for analysis of the actual blueprints which were recently leaked, and the variation between the blueprints and the data produced in the NIST and FEMA reports. And Journal of 9/11 Studies [journalof911studies.com] for peer-reviewed scientific papers and journals.