Annual H-1B Visa Cap Met In One Day 473
CNet is reporting that the door has closed on the H1-B visa application process for this year, one day after it began. The US Citizenship and Immigration Services said that it had received 150,000 applications as of yesterday afternoon. 65,000 H1-B visas can be issued for foreigners with bachelor's degrees. The USCIS will choose randomly from the applications to determine the winners.
We need more (Score:5, Insightful)
While millions of unskilled illegals flood our borders every year, stressing our social safety net, the people we want in this country can't get in. We need more skilled workers who want to work within the system and work here legally and fewer unskilled workers who end up with a free ride at taxpayer's--mine and your--expense.
Re:Shouldn't be a lottery. (Score:4, Insightful)
That sounds like a good idea, as long as you ignore the feedback effect of any government auctions. I'm not sure that making H1B visas a revenue source is really conducive to fair policy decisions in the future.
Re:We need more (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:We need more (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Shouldn't be a lottery. (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't see what else this would achieve without just being a way of gouging money, and further screwing job-seekers who actually want to pay taxes, contribute to the economy and the growth of American companies. I don't subscribe to the idea that skilled workers take American jobs, I believe they help companies grow and generate more jobs in the long-term.
I think that IT is indeed a global economy, and if America is not willing to take on the view that companies can benefit from cherry-picking out of an international workforce, someone else, like Canada or Sweden, will, and companies there will grow.
Disclaimer: Yes, I am a bitter UK citizen with a Masters degree that can't get a visa to live with his Californian girlfriend that I met during my year of study in the USA. We had to come to New Zealand for us both to continue being together without getting married.
Re:Open offices in Canada! (Score:3, Insightful)
If you have a job offer related to your profession, then you are indeed guaranteed a job related to your profession. If you come to Canada on the basis of a job offer for a job which you don't want, well, you get what you deserve.
There are absolutely highly skilled immigrants who are not able to get jobs which utilize their skills; but they are generally those who entered Canada as refugees or were sponsored by family members, not those who entered the country with a job offer.
Re:Shouldn't be a lottery. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:US? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, I think it's safe to say that the US always has been and always will be the place where people immigrate to. Unless of course the people here develop the disease of meaningless nationalistic jingoism like the rest of the banana republics in the world. Oh wait...
Re:US? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:We need more (Score:3, Insightful)
The H-1B process is so costly, time-consuming, and unreliable that an employer would be insane not to.
Instead, in effect, you end up with a talent-shortage. Americans are still out of a job, and companies are unable to maintain an edge in order to stay competitive in the international market. It's not like H-1B workers tend to live in poverty or get paid less than Americans either. Given that we're LOSING skilled workers to emigration, wouldn't it make sense to let more back in to fill the void?
If we can't fill our jobs with our own people, then there is something seriously wrong with our education system that needs to be addressed immediately. Basic economics indicates that opening the job market up to competition would be the fastest and most effective way to make this happen.
Re:65000 is far too many visas (Score:3, Insightful)
My job isn't especially hard, and certainly two trained monkeys could do it.
In all the jobs I have had, I learned new skills, languages and methodologies. That is one of the benefits of working in a leading-edge field. Of course its possible to jump right in learn "how to program", but I contest that doing so will result in a shaky foundation, at best. My education continues at work, it didn't start there. If you find the *right employer*, most of your work will be challenging, and occasionally rewarding. I'm sorry that you chose the wrong major for yourself.
Re:We need more (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:US? (Score:3, Insightful)
Folks here in the midwest still take 30 years to pay off their mortgage. Maybe we should start thinking about moving to India.
Re:We need more (Score:5, Insightful)
Make it an attractive career, not one where the suits take advantage of the geeks, and you'll see plenty of increased interest. But if the industry continues to undercut its current people, they will eventually find themselves in a situation where they really do need tons of H1Bs for their talent and not for their effect on wages. Or they'll find that other countries need these guys more than the US does because we've lost our edge.
Re:US? (Score:3, Insightful)
Europeans don't tolerate threats to their career the same way Americans seem to, and cap the visas lower. Europeans take labor unions seriously, while Americans shun them. Unions have a bad rap in the US because they've gotten carried away and created silly rules that companies have to follow. It may take a generation or two before the stigma wears off and/or unions don't keep making the same mistakes.
Re:The DHS says these numbers are too low (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:US? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:We need more (Score:4, Insightful)
There is currently a 4 year+ queue for people over 21 with a US citizen parent to obtain a green card. If they get married during the wait they go to the back of an EIGHT year queue.
Oh, and their spouse dosen't get a visa when they do, there is another 5 year wait on top of that. If they chose to apply as the spouse as an LPR (instead of waiting for citizenship) then during the 5 year wait their spouse can't even enter the US.
This is true even for citizens of affluent countries with technical degrees and well paying jobs who would, but for ITAR and the difficulty of the H1B process, be happy to move them to the US.
Because of this I have been unable to get married despite being engaged for over a year, and once we do manage to get married we won't be able to live together for at least five years.
The US system is at present seriously broken.
Re:Shouldn't be a lottery. (Score:3, Insightful)
I personally think it should be bid out and not a lottery. We sell access to airwaves in this way, why not this?
To be quite frank the whole issue is a trade war the USA is running against its own citizens and the tax evasion of certain employers in that trade war. Its really quite simple: The USA taxes away (state local and federal) about 65% of the income of its workers. The foreign workers come into the country without the embedded tax cost of about $300,000 (varies on the degree) of tax exempt investment due to the parties not having paid US Taxes. I know there are parties who will discuss VAT in EU etc. (Blecch! It doesn't compare because of US Debt for Education systems) The USA wants its people to pay lots of taxes and then floods the market with either tax exempt goods and services or with tax evasion devices like "Illegal Aliens" and H-1B etc. They even set up a mechanism called "Totalization" where parties work in the USA without even paying the US Taxes at all and without audit in their own countries to evaluate even the compliance with the small local taxes.
I am sure I will hear from some people who don't understand this but this is the whole issue. A US BS graduate has an investment of about $300,000 of Tax Cost before they graduate. This has to be repaid. This requires the party to earn about $3,000 a month in income just to justify the expense. That is about $3,000/month more than their foreign competition. Of course any employer who can get an H-1B L-1 or other visa party in the country and does not have to repay this money is thrilled. This is in wages to the employee the difference between having to earn about $95,000 a year and doing well on about $40,000 a year. (approx - skip the math games) Of course an employer being able to get equal parties at that wage difference is thrilled. Try this with an MD and we are talking living well on $100,000/yr as alien and starving on $500,000 a year as a US MD as US Grad. Of course the Hospital or where ever still gets the payments that support the $500,000 a year but the MD doesn't. This causes the CEO of the Hospital a lot of income for every H-1B he can get!
Regards the parent post's remark about living together and visas...., Try having a marriage.
Re:US? (Score:4, Insightful)
Just look at the hostility shown to the South Indians (disparagingly refrred to as the Madrasees) by the people of Delhi. Or the "sons of the soil" policies advocated by Shiv Sena in Bombay which is just thinly veiled antogonism shown to the educated South Indians getting plum jobs there. Not that the South Indians are paragons of virtue. My own native place lumps all North Indians as "marwadis", though Marwar is just one district in Rajasthan. Most North Indian are businessmen but political parties paint them to be money lending Shylocks.
I will say it once more, Indian Americans household median income is around 60K$, compared to some 52K for the Whites, 45K for the blacks and 42K for the hispanics. If this happened in India, the succesful group would have been hounded mercilessly and demonized for political purposes.
Re:Open offices in Canada! (Score:3, Insightful)
There are tech companies all over the place. I live in Lancaster, PA and I work for Mapquest.
You don't have to live in a place where 1200 square foot houses cost $500,000 to get a great job with a company somebody's heard of.
Re:US? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, just most of them.
and all govt is bad?
The bigger it is, the worse it is.
Or are you whoring to get mod points? Learn these basic things about civics. Govt, by its mere, presence adds value to your property. The general law and order, enforcement of contracts, truth-in-labeling laws, truth-in-lending laws etc foster the climate the create value
These things are good, but property tax and state tax is what leads to these. You can lobby for change when it comes to those, or just move if it is that bad. Want to debate the fairness of federal taxation? Want to talk about the $25 million dollars that is being earmarked for spiniach growers in the upcoming federal budget?
Just think, how valuable your home will be if it is wrenched out of USA and plunked smack-dab-in-the-middle of Darfar, Sudan. The property tax there is probably 0. So before you mouth off, "govt is bad and zero tax is the fair tax" just remember that it just shows how shallow your comprehension of the world is.
Just because someone doesn't have the same views as yours on taxation and government doesn't mean their comprehension of the world is 'shallow'.
Four kinds of visas - H1-B only one of them (Score:2, Insightful)
The fourth type are NAFTA and CAFTA visas for Mexican/Canadian and Canadian workers here, who have a separate category.
The real appeal of H1B (Score:3, Insightful)
The other hidden face of that program is that a lot of H1B workers are employed by staffing companies who are taking advantage of them ruthlessly.
Immigration Nightmare! (Score:4, Insightful)
We had the scurge of people like Einstien, and John von Neumann! We had the evil of people like Enrico Fermi, and Nicoli Tesla, and Alexander Graham Bell, stealing up all those jobs that should have gone to hard working Americans! And it is about time we kick that evil job-stealing bastard Linus Torvalds from this great U.S. of A. to whatever Scandinavian hell-hole he is from!!!
Think how much more advanced and successful the U.S. economy would be if it wasn't for these people ruining everything!