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Diebold to Withdraw from E-Voting? 329

ICA writes "It appears after years of criticism, Diebold may be ready to withdraw from electronic voting entirely. The company is concerned that this relatively small and marginally profitable unit is hurting the company's overall image."
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Diebold to Withdraw from E-Voting?

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  • Re:I hope they do.. (Score:4, Informative)

    by vought ( 160908 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @02:15PM (#18239960)
    I'm not of the opinion that if they can't properly make a secure voting machine, what is to say that they can make a secure ATM?

    1. The secure transaction networks NOT created by Diebold;
    2. The visual and electronic security monitoring every ATM is subject to;
    3. Receipts;
    4. Government-mandated standards and auditing.

    Any other questions?
  • by grandpa-geek ( 981017 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @02:57PM (#18240542)
    According to Black Box Voting (http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/173 05.html?1138394704) the company that originally designed the Diebold machines was founded by five convicted felons. Four were perpetrators of sophisticated fraud and the fifth was a drug-dealer prison buddy of one of the fraudsters.

    The criminal records of these people would make them ineligible to carry bedpans in Maryland nursing homes, but of course there are no criminal record checks for people who design and maintain voting machines.

    The criminal backgrounds of Global's original founders gives reason to suspect that the widespread security vulnerabilities of the machines were not due to mere incompetence but might have been connected to some kind of nefarious scheme concocted by their criminal minds.

    Accordingly, let me suggest that a proper purchaser for Diebold Election Systems might be some international criminal syndicate, for example the Russian Mafia, the drug cartels, or perhaps some criminal group fronting for terrorists. That would, in a sense, return the machines to people with the backgrounds of the founders of the original developer.

    The Russian Mafia could make voting systems a subsidiary of their organization that reportedly is responsible for all the recent spam related to pump-and-dump penny stock schemes. They certainly have sophisticated computer capability behind those schemes. They could auction election victories just like they now reportedly auction cybercrime facilities and exploits.

    Just some thoughts.

  • Re:thats interesting (Score:5, Informative)

    by GodfatherofSoul ( 174979 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @02:57PM (#18240550)
    Us "losers" are complaining because Diebold ISN'T 100% fraud-free, isn't verifiably so, and in fact deliberately designed not to be. blackboxvoting.com
  • by blueforce ( 192332 ) <clannagael@@@gmail...com> on Monday March 05, 2007 @02:59PM (#18240576) Homepage Journal
    [Disclaimer, I live and work down the road from the Diebold corp offices and have family that work there.]

    I know it's asking a lot from the /. crowd, but try getting the facts straight before throttling the company and writing it off as a total incompetent.

    Diebold didn't make the voting machines, it purchased the company that did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Election_Syst ems [wikipedia.org]

    For those too lazy to click the link:

    "Diebold Election Systems is currently run by Bob Urosevich [1] who has worked in the election systems industry since 1976. In 1979, Mr. Urosevich founded American Information Systems. He served as the President of AIS now known as Election Systems & Software, Inc. (ES&S) from 1979 through 1992. Bob's brother, Todd Urosevich, is Vice President, Aftermarket Sales with ES&S, DES's chief competitor. In 1995, Bob Urosevich started I-Mark Systems, whose product was a touch screen voting system utilizing a smart card and biometric encryption authorization technology. Global Election Systems, Inc. (GES) acquired I-Mark in 1997, and on July 31, 2000 Mr. Urosevich was promoted from Vice President of Sales and Marketing and New Business Development to President and Chief Operating Officer. On January 22, 2002, Diebold announced the acquisition of GES, then a manufacturer and supplier of electronic voting terminals and solutions. The total purchase price, in stock and cash, was $24.7 million. Global Election Systems subsequently changed its name to Diebold Election Systems, Inc."

    Diebold is actually well-respected and admired in this area. Diebold election systems are based in Texas whereas the financial systems are here in NE Ohio. I interviewed there for an SE position a couple of years ago, toured their ATM lab, and spent some quality time with some of their software engineers. They seemed to have a very competent operation and I enjoyed the interview. (I ended up taking a different job with another large international corp for other $elfi$h reason$ (I have a family to feed)) I heard the same moaning from the employees I met that I hear from family members who work there - something similar to "those stupid voting machines make us look bad." I have yet to meet an employee, management or otherwise, who has anything good to say about the elections systems division.

    Wally O'Dell is largely (if not solely) responsible for the elections systems debacle. It's no secret that he lead the company right into this political mess at the expense of the company's and his own reputations.

    Don't torpedo the whole company just because the former CEO bungled a bad deal with a flawed political agenda. It'll eventually work out in the wash, then you can cast aspersions on a new company TBA.
  • by MrSquishy ( 916581 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @03:13PM (#18240740)
    Thanks, I thought that

    "de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est"

    translated to

    "...massive arrays of hydrogen fueled kitten engines could be the basis for a future energy economy."

    Those crazy Latins!
  • Re:thats interesting (Score:2, Informative)

    by tsalaroth ( 798327 ) <tsal@arikel.net> on Monday March 05, 2007 @03:48PM (#18241204) Homepage Journal
    There's an even older one that only worked on those old Diebold's that had the one-piece garage door-like opening for the cash to come out. If you held open the door and left the cash there (it was apparently hard to keep open), the ATM would reset, and the last transaction would be dropped from its audit trail - meaning you could take that cash out, let the door drop, and redo-from-start. This was later fixed (though I wouldn't doubt there's a bank or two who refused to update).
  • by Rie Beam ( 632299 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @09:23PM (#18245270) Journal
    "So, why did Brazil succeed where the USA failed?"

    "It is not possible auditor the voting machine's programs, because the Brazilian Supreme Electoral Court (TSE) doesn't permit it."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Brazil [wikipedia.org]

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