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ODF Threat to Microsoft in US Governments Grows 269

Tookis writes "Another setback for Microsoft has cropped up in the space of document formats in government organizations. The state of California has introduced a bill to make open document format (ODF) a mandatory requirement in the software used by state agencies. Similar legislation in Texas and Minnesota has added further to the pressure on Microsoft, which is pushing its own proprietary Office Open XML (OOXML) document format in the recently released Office 2007. The bill doesn't specify ODF by name, but instead requires the use of an open XML-based format."
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ODF Threat to Microsoft in US Governments Grows

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  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:29AM (#18234150)

    Massachusetts, Minnesota, Texas, California... anywhere else? I'm (happily) beginning to lose count!

  • History? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mcrbids ( 148650 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:31AM (#18234160) Journal
    I think that history will point to the Massachusetts move to require an open format as the watershed moment, where Microsoft's stranglehold on the industry began to falter. Because that poor IT director who lost his job in the noise and tumult pointed out to the world that the Emporor, indeed, was not wearing any clothes. Generations from now, ODF will most likely be the standard for public document archives, and the culture and technicalities of documents drawn from our generation will still be available, thanks to the guts and drive of a single man who (ironically) lost his job for accurately identifying one of the most significant problems of the decade.
  • Re:Define Open (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Excelcia ( 906188 ) <slashdot@excelcia.ca> on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:42AM (#18234252) Homepage Journal
    According to Andy Upgrove [consortiuminfo.org], the Netherlands essentially were bought out by Microsoft like ANSI was. If Microsoft is successful in getting ISO approval, this California law will essentially get read in as a "Thou shalt use Microsoft Office" law.

    While I hope ISO doesn't ratify OOXLM, the cynical side of me doesn't have a whole lot of hope.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:46AM (#18234284)
    46 to go.
  • Re:Define Open (Score:2, Interesting)

    by nmb3000 ( 741169 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:55AM (#18234338) Journal
    An Open XML-based format

    I read these stories about ODF and OOXML all the time, but I've never understood *why* these XML-based formats are so smiled upon. An open standard is great, but does XML really do the job we want here?

    Documents created with office software usually need to do a number of things, things that when described in plain text and all the associated markup must result in incredibly bloated files. For example, how do you save an embedded image? An embedded audio clip? An embedded video? Base-64 encode them? Now we're talking bloat. Throw in vector and raster line art and we've defined the word "bloat". I realize the files will probably be zipped, but that won't make up for it.

    I guess I just don't see why an open binary format, which can store all this information much more precisely and efficiently, wouldn't be better. XML is dandy, sure, but the specs for these formats are going to be so complicated that nobody will be able to open the file in a text editor and just read through it. The formatting instructions will be so verbose that they will completely overshadow any content. Writing a parser for these will be easily as complex as a parser designed to read a binary file representing the same document.

    What's the big advantage of XML?
  • Re:Hooray for... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Skald ( 140034 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:57AM (#18234352)
    Tyrrany! The government of California is mandating things to... the government of California. One can only weep for those agile, efficient state agencies, hamstrung in their efforts to serve the public by the state legislature's document format demands.

    Seriously, California's government is supposed to let each of its agencies choose (or not choose) its own standard for documents, so that one part of the government can't communicate with another? Talk about mediocrity.
  • Re:X(HT)ML+CSS? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nick.ian.k ( 987094 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @02:10AM (#18234426)
    Lie only ranted about the ridiculousness of going to the trouble to craft new standards, and then suggested that we instead repurpose a set of standards for web documents so that they work for exchanging documents intended for print. As somebody aware of what hell it's been dealing with web standards, your concern should be focusing not just how long it took for XHTML and CSS standards to be sort-of accepted, but how stupid it would be to go and extend something that people have been working hard to simplify.
  • by Alphager ( 957739 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @03:33AM (#18234848) Homepage Journal
    Stop painting ODF as the big threat to Microsoft: No-one in the administrations who demand ODF want to stop using MS Office. Microsoft has an import/export-plugin for Office2007, and that's the end of it.
  • Re:Define Open (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pipatron ( 966506 ) <pipatron@gmail.com> on Monday March 05, 2007 @04:26AM (#18235068) Homepage
    • War is Peace
    • Freedom is Slavery
    • Ignorance is Strength
    • Open is Closed
  • Re:Common sense... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nametaken ( 610866 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @09:45AM (#18236532)

    Do we dare to dream of a world where you couldn't (and wouldn't have to) guess, with 99% accuracy, which office suite a company was using before you emailed them a document? The idea seems totally far fetched to me. :(
  • Re:Define Open (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @09:56AM (#18236614)

    If Microsoft is successful in getting ISO approval, this California law will essentially get read in as a "Thou shalt use Microsoft Office" law.

    When last I read of this law it included two provisions that seemed to indicate otherwise. One provision was a requirement that the standard be maintained by a third party with a process for altering and improving the standard that allowed input from multiple parties. The second provision was a requirement of several, independent implementations. Regardless of MS's shenanigans I don't see how they would meet either criteria. MS completely controls "Open"XML and third parties are not allowed to make changes or legally implement them. No one but MS has a complete implementation due to the nature of the so called standard.

    Has the proposed California legislation changed greatly?

  • Re:Define Open (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Excelcia ( 906188 ) <slashdot@excelcia.ca> on Monday March 05, 2007 @11:34AM (#18237636) Homepage Journal
    Theoretically the standard does have input from multiple parties. The ECMA process had 21 voting parties (20 voted in favour, IBM voted against). That was a process where more than one person had input. The current ISO process has fourteen different countries submitting contradictions. You and I both know that input is useless if it doesn't cause a change, but all it takes is one change in the standard to answer those contradictions for Microsoft to be able to claim that changes were made based on outside input. I guess it depends on the legal definition of "input" that the law has. I haven't read the law, so I don't know.

    As far as multiple implementations... Corel has already announced support for OOXML in Word Perfect. Novel has announced an OOXML filter for OpenOffice.org suite. Lovely how Novel's little deal is more and more of a stab in the back.

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