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Objections Over Antibiotic Approved for Use in Cattle 253

An anonymous reader writes "The Washington post reports that the FDA is expected to approve the marketing of the new antibiotic called Cefquinome for use in cattle. This is over objections of the American medical association, the FDA advisory board and the World Health Organization. Cefquinome is from a class of highly potent 'last line of defense' antibiotics for several serious human infections. It is feared that large scale use in cattle will allow bacteria to develop a resistance to these drugs. This news follows complaints from the FDA that it is no longer getting the funds needed to do the research required for the desired level of food safety."
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Objections Over Antibiotic Approved for Use in Cattle

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  • by dsanfte ( 443781 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @02:44PM (#18228182) Journal
    This goes beyond idiocy... This is blatant pandering to the cattle lobby at the expense of our health. Everyone of us who might one day get MRSA, or flesh-eating disease...

    Any increased use of these drugs, especially on bacteria present in the food supply, is asking for disaster. When a federal agency start making bad decisions for corporate lobbyists that will cost real lives, it's time for heads to roll.
  • by CiXeL ( 56313 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @02:47PM (#18228206) Homepage
    just like the problems with madcow testing
    the beef industry is throwing our safety out the window for immediate profits.
    of course when people start keeling over from madcow the panic is going to be so fierce that people will stop eating beef altogether.
  • Level? What level? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @02:55PM (#18228274)
    This news follows complaints from the FDA that it is no longer getting the funds needed to do the research required for the desired level of food safety.

    I'd say they are receiving sufficient funds to achieve the desired level of food safety. It's just that Congress has lowered the level.
  • by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:01PM (#18228328) Homepage Journal
    Now that the Dems are back in the saddle, is it really "Bush's fault"?

    It's cute that you think there's a significant difference between the two parties.
  • by Wolfier ( 94144 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:02PM (#18228340)
    Disgusting. They should understand very well that human health is #1, and animal drugs is #10, period.

    Any "guidance" serves nothing but to make up excuses that tries to justify animal drugs over human health, for pure "economic" reasons (i.e. greed).

  • by gelfling ( 6534 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:05PM (#18228374) Homepage Journal
    For the dollar.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:06PM (#18228382)
    You're missing the point.

    It's not a fear that this antibiotic will have a negative effect on humans. The problem is that, by overusing this drug, it will lose its potency. Many antibiotics have already been rendered useless thanks to careless overuse, and this one has been deliberately set aside as a last resort. If cattle farmers are allowed to use this drug it will no longer be useful for treating human infections.

    The FDA is in every single way destroying a cure for life-threatening diseases in order to fellate a bunch of worthless scum-sucking factory farmers. You should be outraged, not just avoiding meat.
  • by ucblockhead ( 63650 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:07PM (#18228390) Homepage Journal
    Nope. Problem not solved. Vegetarians will also suffer if and when diseases become resistant to these antibiotics because of overuse in the cattle industry.


    Antibiotics should be banned for agricultural uses. It's putting all of us at risk so that a few can make a bigger profit.

  • Idiots. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Philomathie ( 937829 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:09PM (#18228416)
    What a total blunder. This "last line of defence" anti-biotics are not used in medicine for the very same reason they should NOT be used in these cattle: if we use them on any large scale before we need them then the bacteria will become resistant to one of our last defences against that particular bacterium strain. If there was a mass epidemic for one reason or the other before the resistant strain was prevalent, we could have used our back up antibiotic to effectively contain it - but if this goes through we lose that last line of defence as the antibiotic would most likely be useless against this new resistant bacteria.
  • by miskatonic alumnus ( 668722 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:11PM (#18228426)
    But, but, what you propose would interfere with that most holy of holies --- the Free Market. Please, won't someone think of the stockholders? A few million lives is a small price to pay for corporate megabucks and a strong economy. Fnord.
  • The Big One (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:17PM (#18228468)
    The Big Thing that's gonna take humans down a notch won't be nuclear attack. It won't be global warming. It'll be a simple bacteria, maybe a version of something common like strep or staph that doctors just can't kill because of simple resistance. I can't wait.
  • Re:Micotil (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nuzak ( 959558 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:21PM (#18228500) Journal
    Maby instead of looking for better antibiotics for the cattle we should be looking at why there are getting sick to begin with, because virtually all cattle that go through the Industrial livestock system get sick.

    Density. When you cram that many of the same species into one space, you have rather less of a herd and more of a bacterial growth medium, not unlike a petri dish. Suppressing natural immune responses through minimal culling and artificial antibiotics exacerbates the problem. And once you have really virulent infections going around, they contaminate the environment, so any livestock that merely pass through will pick it up. They can't even decontaminate hospitals completely -- you think a feedlot gets disinfected as much?

    Not to be rude, but how on earth can a rancher not know this sort of thing?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:21PM (#18228506)
    This is Bush. The Bush-Republican ideology of no government regulation is seen by the mismanagement of yet another Federal agency. It sickens me to see yet another Federal agency that has been doing a good job (FDA doing its thing for over 50 years and making us all safe, normally) is now taken over by Bush appointees who sell it out to the highest bidder (aka the privatization fever) (cf. FEMA) and then make decisions that prove what Bush wants to prove -- these agencies just can't work, we need to end government regulation. It is convenient when Bush is making this argument he neglects that it is his own (failed) policies that caused the problems in these government agencies to begin with (nice White House decision to lie to the people cleaning up ground zero in New York about the air quality).

    Damaging the effectiveness of an important antibiotic in order to make some cattle a little bit bigger is a perfection reflection on the Bush ideology of governance. We are all paying for his mistakes, not least of which the hundreds of billions of dollars being funneled into private contractor's pockets to occupy the formerly sovereign country of Iraq.
  • by DrJay ( 102053 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:22PM (#18228508) Homepage

    It's ironic that in light of the recent analysis [slashdot.org] of the use of the term "evolution" covered here on slashdot that the summary would suggest that the bacteria will "develop a resistance to these drugs." Resistance to the drugs will will evolve, if we're to use the proper term for the process.

    As the original article in that earlier discussion noted, if we'd use the appropriate term when discussing these issues, it's more likely that people will realize that understanding evolution is essential to understand this and a variety of other public health issues, such as emerging diseases, cancer, etc. And maybe, just maybe, science classes would be a touch more likely to teach science without winding up in the court system.

  • by Chandon Seldon ( 43083 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:30PM (#18228568) Homepage

    The free market fails in the face of uncompensated externalities.

    "A few million lives" for "megabucks" won't produce a strong economy anyway. In an economic analysis, you *can* put a price on human lives - but that price is well over the couple hundred bucks each this statement implies at maximum.

  • "Industrial" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Svartalf ( 2997 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:34PM (#18228592) Homepage
    Anywhere I see "industrial" I see unsustainable practices for maximal profits being done.

    Doesn't matter WHERE I see it. It just is.

    Pack a bunch of dumb animals into a tight space, something that isn't natural- you're going to get problems.
    The industry's answer, drug them animals up to offset the problem. Which isn't really an answer.

    As the Poultry industry seems to be figuring out- raising chickens and harvesting eggs more akin to the way
    one would do in the old days on a farm is actually better than the other way, costs only a little more to
    do, and produces much more desirable results (The eggs are more nutritious, as is the chicken meat- and they
    taste oh, so much better...) for only slightly more retail cost. The same goes for bread, etc. We've improved
    our ways of doing things such that doing things sustainably is more valuable than doing them for the lowest
    costs- and for each and every "cost saving" thing, we damage our health, etc.

    High Fructose Corn Syrup - while it's cheaper than cane sugar and other sweeteners, HFCS makes type II diabetics
    out of people. And we've adulterated the food supply with the damn stuff.

    Nutrasweet - I won't even begin to start on THAT stuff.

    Antibiotics given to animals indescriminately - antibiotic resistant bacteria that cause problems worse than the
    the expense of food would be if you'd back off a little on production.

    When will the food industry wise up? When will someone cashier the FDA as it currently is because
    it doesn't do ANYTHING of what it's supposed to do. It doesn't allow good drugs to be. It doesn't
    allow good food to happen. It doesn't prevent bad drugs from getting on the market. It doesn't
    prevent bad food production practices and additives from getting on the market. But it is the final
    arbiter on things for this country.
  • by paulbd ( 118132 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @03:37PM (#18228622) Homepage

    The Bush Administration is still the administration. Congress has very little control over the day to day actions of political appointees like the Vet Chief of the FDA who appears to be masterminding this unbelievably stupid action. They could call him in for a question and answer session, but given the insanity that the administration has and continues to bring us ov er the last 7 years, its hard to know where they should even start. I guess since we're all God's Children (those of us who are reborn, anyway), God will just take care of the details once the effectivness of even last-line antibiotics starts to fade.

  • It's cute that you think there's a significant difference between the two parties.

    It's cuter that people get modded up for repeating this nonsense whenever there's a political discussion. The differences aren't as remarkable as larger party differences in other countries, but to say there's no "significant difference" is absurd, unless you don't consider things such as rights to abortion, rights to marry who you want and freedom from religion important.

    (Yes, I realize there are democrats against the above things. But the party's platforms spell out clear differences).
  • by mOdQuArK! ( 87332 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @04:46PM (#18229224)
    Don't forget the entire concept of "intellectual property". It always amazes me to hear the number of peole who will defend copyright/patent/trademark as being "free market".
  • by dtjohnson ( 102237 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @04:48PM (#18229244)
    Every gram of antibiotics administered is one more gram released into the environment where it will create resistant microbes. The microbes do not care if the antibiotic was administered in tiny doses to a 2-year-old with an ear infection or in massive doses to a 600 pound cow as a feed supplement to make it grow faster and bigger. EVERY antibiotic given to cattle in massive doses has quickly lost its effectiveness in the human population to the point that resistant microbes are now very common. The cow excretes most of the antibiotics into the environment where they create new resistant microbe populations that then migrate worldwide. The public health people hector doctors to avoid giving antibiotic prescriptions unless absolutely necessary and then the FDA does something like this. This is criminally negligent and irresponsible and some people at the FDA need to be brought to trial and thrown into prison.
  • Re:The Big One (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @04:50PM (#18229262)
    Yes, we survived thousands of years without antibiotics, but *now* we are going to die because we cant use them?
  • by Vegeta99 ( 219501 ) <rjlynn@@@gmail...com> on Sunday March 04, 2007 @04:54PM (#18229292)
    ... because I like studying social change. Maybe there should be some here, read on:

    I did a kind of self experiment starting this school year. I gave up smoking, fast food, etc etc. Not that I was unhealthy by any means, no sir, 16 minute 2 mile i was more than happy with considering the pack a day habit, but I changed what I ate.

    McDick's double cheese burger? Nah. 80/20 lean beef and a george foreman. And a fuckin' apple instead of fries and a shake. Ciggy? No way. How about a glass of water and a deep breath (hey I can do that now!) when I'm stressed out?

    Ya wanna know what happened? That 16 minute mile is well under 14 now. I wake up when the sun's up and I'm moving before the coffee pot even starts, not the other way around.

    The best side effect of all, however, is that i just plain don't. get. sick.

    A cow is supposed to eat grass. A cow's supposed to get a little sick now and then, and if a cow gets really sick, a cow should get really shot and buried. Instead, we decide to feed cows, well, corn and chopped up sick cows.

    Now, if putting good stuff in ME keeps me from getting sick, why would it not work on a cow? Why the HELL isn't the /Food/ and Drug Administration doing something about this? See all them farmers throwing out corn because we paid them to do so? How about you pay them to graze cattle? Subsidize RESPONSIBLE farming and then guess what? It will trickle down the line. If what I put in me is healthier from the start, I get healthier. Oh, and guess what I can do when I feel better? I can produce more. So get on it, you capitalist fucks! It'll make your health care costs go down, too!

    Now, I understand that shit doesn't change that quick. But this isn't about getting cars that shit out water on the roads, this is about eating good. Hybrid cars aren't much different than a regular car, but food that was "grown", not "manufactured" TASTES a hell of a lot better and you can measure results for yourself within weeks. I think we should give it a try.
  • by Frumious Wombat ( 845680 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @05:27PM (#18229580)
    Or, we could try a free-market approach: We charge ranchers market-rates for grazing lands and water, we stop propping up corn-states with subsidies so that dirt-cheap corn isn't available for feedlot use as clearance prices, and we treat feedlots as the industrial polluters they are, and regulate them accordingly. While we're at it, label beef openly. You should be able to pick up a package of beef, look at the label, and see "feedlot-raised herford routinely injected with the following antibiotics@concentration@interval just in case". Next to it would be, "grass-fed, open-range, dusted for ticks and certified treated only for illness and not within 120 days of slaughter". End result: a whole whack of inefficient cattlemen go under (at least we won't have to list to the whining of rugged individualists who only need continual tax subsidies but no other gub'mint involvement to stay in business), meat prices rise a bit, successful ranchers will go back to open-range grazing like Argentina does, and possibly some of that fertilizer-gulping corn will be plowed under and prarie grass for grazing planted in its place.

    With better animal-husbandry (don't feed a grazing animal expecting a high-fiber diet acidic corn and make it stand in one place all day), you'll get healthier animals, and less need for antibiotics and other promoters to make them grow. And before anyone starts the accusations, I eat meat and look askance at soybean-based alleged food products. These are the same people pushing irradiation of food so that they don't have to slow down slaughterhouses and worry about what bits of cattle-waste end up on or in meat. Sometimes the answer really is, "it's not a machine, and we should not be producing beef as if it was Nikes, so worry about public health first, then about m
  • by shofutex ( 986330 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @05:39PM (#18229726)
    I'm sure part of it is that you can't mass-produce organic beef. They need natural feed and it's required that they be labeled if they've been treated with antibiotics. Of course, it won't be long before the cattle industry redefines organic beef so that it no longer means anything.
  • Re:"Feared?" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Vancorps ( 746090 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @08:19PM (#18231682)

    That is a symptom of the underlying problem I was alluding to in my last post. Factory farming will always result in this end-game. Every-time you put a lot of one species close together they will spread disease. Giving them a little more space and proper conditions and remove the antibiotics and stop poisoning the country or make a little extra money. As long as money is the driving force behind our food supply we'll have to deal with people taking money over our health.

    It's capitalism at its finest, 1000 small farms eventually consolidate to 4 large farms because its more cost effective. Of course the quality of the product diminishes along with the diversity we see on our shelves. Fortunately alternatives still exist with organic farming.

  • by faffod ( 905810 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @08:24PM (#18231734)
    The free market also needs an educated consumer base. If the average consumer doesn't know that these antibiotics were used, nor the implication of their use, they'll just see that they're getting "better value" for their dollar and reward the farmers (ok, industrialists) who chose to use these antibiotics. The same goes for growth hormones, corn feeding, not dry aging, or anything else that the beef industry has done to maximize profits at the expense of quality.
  • by reporter ( 666905 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @08:51PM (#18231996) Homepage
    The collusion between American agribusiness and the government is an excellent example of why we should oppose all tort reform. This sneaky collusion is a powerful force that destroys people's lives. Imagine being killed by antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It tortures you with excruciating pain before it finally kills you.

    The only force with sufficient power to counteract the power of government-business collusion is the force of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit filed against the top managers of the FDA, the top managers of the cattle-processing companies, and all the middle men between the cattle-processing companies and the supermarket. Using the courts to suck sufficient money out of these money-grubbing scum (who would sacrifice the lives of children to antibiotic-resistant bacteria for the sake of a buck) is the only way to force the scum to deal fairly and humanely with the American people. When I say, "suck sufficient money", I mean that we should force the scum to pay so much money to the victims (of antibiotic-resistant bacteria) that the scum can afford only to live in a studio apartment and to take the bus to work in the halfway house.

    Once someone dies (indirectly) due to the feeding of Cefquinome to cattle, then we initiate the multi-billion dollar lawsuit. Financially bleed the scum until the scum wishes that it were dead.

    Feed Cefquinome to cattle? "Go ahead. Make my day!"

  • by r00t ( 33219 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @09:58PM (#18232560) Journal
    With 30% dead, lots of regular jobs are going undone, and regular things aren't being bought.

    The music store only has employees for a few days of the week. They have to shut down on the other days. Nobody wants to be out buying music anyway though. The rent doesn't get paid. The store closes. The landlord now has an empty storefront. That hurts business for his other tenents. Also, he still has to pay his taxes. The Burger King can't staff their place. Do they just close up shop?

    Businesses find themselves needing to shrink and consolidate, fast. That is majorly disruptive. Facilities must be closed. Employees may need to move; some will refuse.

    Everything becomes inefficient as businesses collapse. Shortages come and go, interspersed with surplusses that get wasted.

    Whole towns need to be abandoned. When a small place loses the only food store, the people have to move elsewhere.

    The police are in disarray, just like every other organization. The now-idle masses are starving, bored, irrational, and willing to take great risks because death appears likely anyway. The New Orleans looting was nothing, really. Imagine something like that accross the whole world. There will be no help coming from outside.

    Eventually, the farms aren't tended. The cattle aren't fed. Transportation is unreliable. Fuel may be mostly unavailable. Real food shortages set in.

    Way more than 30% die. Maybe 99% or more. Very few of us have a backyard garden that can completely feed the family.

    People fall back on idiotic superstitions, as they have done since the very first humans.

    Welcome to the Dark Ages II. (this time, Protestant and Islamic)
  • by coolGuyZak ( 844482 ) on Sunday March 04, 2007 @11:20PM (#18233256)

    Once someone dies (indirectly) due to the feeding of Cefquinome to cattle, then we initiate the multi-billion dollar lawsuit. Financially bleed the scum until the scum wishes that it were dead.

    I say this without ill nor trollish intentions: You, sir, are an idiot. Allowing the use of Cefquinome in industrial cattle production creates bacteria highly resistant to the antibiotic. By the time someone dies due to these circumstances, the problem is already out of control. So, not only would we keep the problems with present tort law, but we add to it the problem of the newly evolved superbug.

    Or, possibly, you were being facetious...

  • Re:Huh? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05, 2007 @01:10AM (#18233988)
    The practice of feeding cattle foods derived from the bodies of other cattle seems to be what allows BSE to spread. It's part of the same system of industrialized high-density farming that also uses, and requires, feeding cattle large doses of antibiotics. So I think the claim is that that system is at fault - not that antibiotic abuse causes BSE, but that BSE and antibiotic abuse have a common cause.
  • Re:Very scary (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kalirion ( 728907 ) on Monday March 05, 2007 @11:08AM (#18237360)
    They're basically saying the current health of the cattle outweighs the health of people.

    No, they're saying the current health of certain bank accounts and stock portfolios outweighs the health of people.

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