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US Lawmakers to Keep Google Out of China? 491

caese writes "USATODAY is reporting that lawmakers in the US are proposing legislation that would keep Google and others out of China. From the article: 'Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., is drafting a bill that would force Internet companies including Google, Yahoo and Microsoft to keep vital computer servers out of China and other nations the State Department deems repressive to human rights.'"
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US Lawmakers to Keep Google Out of China?

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  • by Ced_Ex ( 789138 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:28PM (#14708694)
    I am confused, it's a human right to have Yahoo! and Google? Goddamn stupid hippies just keep popping up...

    No... it's not a human right to have Yahoo and Google, that you are correct.

    But is it right for the US govt to say who Yahoo and Google can do business with?
  • by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:37PM (#14708848)
    Even USA Today has it right in their headline "Bill would keep servers out of China". Slashdot appears even more tabloid with this headline implying the companies wouldn't be able to operate there. Guess what; I'm in China, I use US servers most of the time.

    Yahoo has surrendered personal data on two dissidents at least that have lead to their arrests. Yahoo claims they had no choice. Well, if the data wasn't in China, they wouldn't have had that excuse, though they probably would have folded anyway.

  • FUD and Flamebait? (Score:5, Informative)

    by QuestorTapes ( 663783 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:42PM (#14708903)
    A few observations:

    > USATODAY is reporting that lawmakers in the US are proposing legislation that
    > would keep Google and others out of China.

    Actually, no. First off, the bill hasn't even been drafted yet.

    Secondarily, as I read the article, it wouldn't prevent anyone from doing business in China and other oppressive regimes. It would simply require the "vital computer servers" (currently not defined; remember, it hasn't been -drafted- yet) from being located physically within the opressive regime's geographic control.

    > From the article: 'Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., is drafting a bill that
    > would force Internet companies including Google, Yahoo and Microsoft
    > to keep vital computer servers out of China and other nations the State
    > Department deems repressive to human rights.

    The part that wasn't quoted says: "Moving servers would keep personal data they house from government reach. But that also could weaken the firms' crucial Internet search engines."

    It appears the intent of the bill is to prohibit situations where crucial equipment could be physically compromised by force, although since it hasn't been drafted yet, it could go further, of course.

    I don't know anything about Rep. Smith, but this page:

    http://www.house.gov/chrissmith/laws/laws.htm [house.gov]

    Seems to indicate he has been actively interested in human rights under opressive regimes rather than gestapo internet control laws. Maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt, at least until after he has finished a first draft we could look at?

  • Mod Parent Down (Score:3, Informative)

    by stinerman ( 812158 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:42PM (#14708904)
    I have my facts wrong. Clause 3 allows for this. I apologize.

    Let us hope the gentleman from NJ is able to shepherd this bill through Congress and to Mr. Bush.
  • by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:46PM (#14708965)
    Bill Clinton, who helped extend them "most favored nation" trading status

    And what about that pinko Nixon -- he kowtowed to Mao in 1972.

    And that fellow-traveller Reagan: "...a few countries must obtain an annual presidential waiver or extension of a waiver to continue their NTR status. China is the most important country in this group which must obtain an annual waiver to maintain NTR. The waiver for China has been in effect since 1980."

  • by RealProgrammer ( 723725 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @02:58PM (#14709135) Homepage Journal
    I cringe when I have to buy something at Wal-Mart, because almost everything there comes from China. It's not just Wal-Mart, but that's where I notice it the most.

    Some of the Chinese-made stuff is of decent quality, but mostly it's not. I don't like the sweatshop image I get when I look at the poorer-quality items. As a result, I've changed my buying habits to try to avoid things from China.

    When I'm shopping now I look for the very best item in a given cateogory. I ignore the price, unless I know the item is disposable. Most of the time, the best item will come from (in no particular order) the U.S., Japan, Europe, or Korea.

  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @03:11PM (#14709295) Journal
    Please, please don't quote the Constitution.

    I highly suggest you go read Article 1, Sections 8 and 10.
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html [usconstitution.net]
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html [usconstitution.net]

    Section 8 tells us that Congress has the power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.

    Section 10 tells us that States have almost no rights to engage in anything with a foreign Power and any laws that States are allowed "shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress"

    I already wrote another post in response to someone who didn't read Article 1, Section 8 very closely. I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, but I have some understanding of portions of the Constitution that my studies have touched on.
  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @03:14PM (#14709332)
    Insightful???

    While it warms my libertarian heart to see somebody express a fondness for the "dead" Amendments (the 9th and 10th), you really should take the time to read the document which is being ameded as well.

    9th - All powers not specifically granted to the federal government in this document are reserved for the states

    The right to regulate international (and interstate!) commerce is specifically granted to the federal government, so the 9th does not apply here.

    10th - Any right not given to the government (see above) here, or prohibited by the states, is automatically given to the people

    Since the right is given, the 10th doesn't apply here either.
  • Re:Anti free trade (Score:3, Informative)

    by starwed ( 735423 ) on Monday February 13, 2006 @07:46PM (#14712177)
    I don't think he gave an opinion on how it affected the regime. He was just stating that it did, indeed, cause suffering in Cuba. (I'm again astonished as to how much people read into posts.)
  • Re:Bullshit indeed. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13, 2006 @09:02PM (#14712697)
    I am a Malaysian who has lived in China, India, Singapore and Brunei(just 2 months actuallly but WTH). I was a volunteer for Amnesty International for a few months after High School. "Move to China and see how much better you do there." Is a valid statement. They lock things out to protect themselves, that includes foreign information and foreign goods. Trust me when I say they are better off with the walls they build, their problems are plentiful including overpopulation and social stigmas which will not go away in a day. I was an English teacher in China for a year, and there were many Americans in similar positions there. The obvious statement is this; they would not be there if America-the-land-of-dreams (tm) is as good as you think it is. Censorship is no doubt an issue... but look at your selves, we are all hypocrites one way or another. ALL of us.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 14, 2006 @02:25AM (#14714001)
    t's unfortunate but true, we trade with them to reap from their child labor.

    I have to admire with your honesty but can't help pointing out that cheap child labor is not the only exploitation/human right violation/crime that US and other western countries commit there. They also violate the rights of tens of millions of "cheap adult" laborers and dump their waste in third world countries and cause enormous environmental damage which in turn destroys tens millions of lives (human, animal and plant) in due course of time.
    http://www.hu.mtu.edu/hu_dept/tc%40mtu/papers/bhop al.htm [mtu.edu]
    http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0204a/hightechtrash .html [monitor.net]
    http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Dumping-Pepsi-P lastic-India94.htm [mindfully.org]
    This has been going on for centuries now.
    Who's asking for sanctions against these crimes against humanity? Not anybody on slashdot.

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