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US Senate Allows NASA To Buy Soyuz Vehicles 298

arc.light writes "According to a report at Space.com, the US Senate voted to allow NASA to buy Russian Soyuz vehicles for the purpose of servicing the International Space Station. Because Russia continues to assist Iran with its nuclear energy and ballistic missile programs, NASA would otherwise not be allowed to buy Russian hardware by the Iran Nonproliferation Act of 2000. The US House of Representatives still needs to give its approval before NASA can make such a purchase."
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US Senate Allows NASA To Buy Soyuz Vehicles

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  • Choice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kevin_conaway ( 585204 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @06:59PM (#13640707) Homepage
    So it seems that after Russia sends the last obligatory shuttle to the space station, we are left the with the options of a.) buying Russian gear to send our own folks or b.) paying the Russians to do it for us?

    Whatever, if it saves money, I'm sure the government will do it. I'm pretty sure they can use extra cash wherever they can find it now.
  • by HillBilly ( 120575 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @07:01PM (#13640723)
    Both countries have old and due to be replaced space crafts. Difference is Russia's crafts have provened to be more realiable and cheaper.
  • Re:What? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by banzaimonkey ( 917475 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @07:13PM (#13640772)
    I remember one US plane that had to be transported from China in a Russian Antonov-124. The US did not have any aircraft that was up to the task! How long shall we have to rely on so called "third world economies" to achieve our goals?
    I like to think of the United States being the world's R&D department. We come up with the ideas, bungle them, and then someone else picks it up and does it properly. There's the occasional successful project in the US, such as FedEx, the iPod, etc. I suppose those are the ideas that don't need to be refined too much, or are designed specifically with American culture in mind.
  • Re:Hands off Iran (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24, 2005 @07:13PM (#13640774)
    > Iran is *not* evil, nor is Chavez

    I have Venezuelan friends who say that Chavez is a power-hungry, greedy wannabe dictator. Not necessarily evil, but just another politician who doesn't deliver on his promises, stirs up public opinion (mostly the poor) and points to some villain du jour (the U.S.) to blame for all his country's ills, instead of doing something to make his people's lives better. Funny, that sounds a lot like some guy who lives in public housing on Pennsylvania Ave. in zip code 20500.
  • by CyricZ ( 887944 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @07:17PM (#13640795)
    But they don't have any choice. Either they purchase this equipment, or they become irrelevant. This purchase is necessary for their very survival, even if it bruises a few egos.

    Sometimes one is forced to choose between a shitty choice or death. In this case they're chosen the shitty situation which may allow for their survival.

  • Re:What? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24, 2005 @07:35PM (#13640902)
    I remember some interview in which astronaut Michael Foale (who was on the Mir space station) had some very kind words to say about the Soyuz and explained how well the completely automated docking functioned - until it was dismantled to reduce costs. At the time the ground facility it required was in Ukraine (IIRC - outside Russia but in a former Soviet state anyway) and Russia couldn't afford to pay for the use of it and decided that commanders should perform the docking manually and the accident when a Soyuz collided with Mir was a consequence of this (the manual docking went wrong). I also remember that there was some commentary in the same documentary stating that the commander performing the docking got the blame and not mission control even though all other cosmonauts that afterwards tried to perform the same manoeuver several times in a simulator failed too until one finally succeded when he didn't follow the instructions by mission control exactly.
  • Moon by 2018 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by biraneto2 ( 910162 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @09:09PM (#13641459)
    Looks like NASA is giving another step further to achieve the moon by 2018. :) Wouldn't it be a veeery big irony going to the moon by the means of russian technology?
  • Good idea! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lonesome phreak ( 142354 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @09:48PM (#13641694) Journal
    The new design of NASA's next (or second-next) manned program is going back to more of a capsule design anyway...so really why not use Soyuz vehicles until our own capsules are ready to go? NASA has already basically admitted the capsule idea is safer and cheaper anyway for our level of tech.

    Personally, I would much rather be sent to the ISS in a Soyuz than go up in a Shuttle. The ride might not be as comfortable and roomy, but my chances of surviving are far higher. It might be a bit cramped, but that's far better than flying apart on re-enrty due to having a too-complex system.

    I watched some C-SPAN where NASA was talking about the new safety measures they implemented with all the cameras and such. Honestly, it's cause people to freak out more than it does to pacify due to the ability to see all the little problems that occure during lift-off that normally aren't seen. NASA had to explain a dozen times that "that's normal wear-and-tear, people" because the press was worried about all the little problems no one have ever really looked at before because of the new camera system. The good news is that most of the manuevers they did to fix it all are brand-new and never before done, and has given NASA much needed experience in dealing with space-based repair.
  • Not likely (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @10:22PM (#13641866) Journal
    It is the USA managers and CEO that have placed america where it is today. I seriously doubt that any none american company wants that. Here is a HINT of how our leaders are doing:

    who is the top CEO that ran up a large deficit at the only company that ran, and had to be bailed out by Saudia Arabia, and now has THE top post and is again running up the world's and historical largest deficit? That is where managers are leading us today. Also check out United, US Airways, Delta, Northwest, The steel industry, shortly Boeing, clothing manufactuers, etc. About the only ones doing OK is big tobacco, and big oil. And I think that both are about to change.
  • Welllllll...... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jpellino ( 202698 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @10:49PM (#13642009)
    The Soyuz record is "Near 100%", true. But that's not 100%. Neither record is 100%.

    We had Apollo 1 on the pad (3 dead) - they had R-16 on the pad (over 90 dead).
    We had Challenger and Columbia, both fatal flights (14 dead), they had Souyz 1 and 11 - both fatal flights (4 dead).
    We had a near miss on Apollo 13, they had one on Soyuz 5.
    We each tossed a space station into the drink, arguably prematurely on both accounts.
    Both have a full compliment of Charlie Foxtrot flight moments, and ground crew / training fatalities.

    The usual rhetoric includes references here on /. such as "nasa's core competencies whish seem to be killing astroanuts in groups of seven" is glib and gratuitously derisive.

  • by FleaPlus ( 6935 ) on Saturday September 24, 2005 @11:50PM (#13642290) Journal
    It's worth noting that NASA has also previously announced that they will be offering commercial contracts to US companies for transportation of cargo and eventually crew to the ISS. These would be fixed-cost contracts for services rendered, rather than the more traditional cost-plus contracts which reward inefficiency and waste. Unfortunately, none of the US companies are where they need to be yet, although it's looking like SpaceX should be there in a few years.

    From this article [space.com]:

    NASA will soon solicit offers from firms interested in delivering cargo and crew to the international space station (ISS), but NASA Administrator Mike Griffin said he wants to buy services, not dole out development contracts to newcomers who were shut out of the competition to build the space shuttle's replacement. ...

    Griffin said he also would like to see a robust commercial space transportation industry take root and thrive, and said the best way for NASA to help is "to utilize the market that is offered by the international space station's requirement to supply crew and cargo as the years unfold." ...

    Griffin promised that NASA would give priority to non-government services should they become available, although he cautioned that deliberately "under utilizing" a NASA-owned and -operated system could encounter resistance from lawmakers intent on protecting government jobs. ...

    Another difference between a traditional government contract and the deals Griffin hopes to make is that they would emphasize "performance rather than process." While NASA would insist on "certain standards," Griffin said "It's not up to me as the procurer of that service to determine how the engineers working for you, the provider, provide that service." ...

    Charles Miller, president of Constellation Services International, said he was "enthusiastically looking forward" to NASA's crew and cargo solicitation. Constellation Services Internationals, Woodland Hills, Calif., is developing what it calls the LEO (low Earth orbit) Express standardized cargo container, which could launch atop virtually any rocket, as an affordable, near-term solution to NASA's space station re-supply needs.

    Elon Musk, president of Space Exploration Technologies [spacex.com], said he was "definitely encouraged" by Griffin's remarks. "This is a market SpaceX has been interested in for a long time," Musk said. ...

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