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WIPO Wants Your Feedback 195

Posted by Zonk
from the partici-pation dept.
Christian Engstrom writes "The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is hosting an online discussion about 'Intellectual Property in the Information Society' from June 1 to 15, 2005. The conclusions of the Online Forum will form part of WIPO's contribution to the WSIS Tunis Summit. There are 10 different themes for discussion, including 'Open Information: At Odds with the IP System?' and 'Enforcement of IP Rights'. If you have any comments about file sharing, copyright enforcement, etc. (and who hasn't?), this may be a good place to post them."
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WIPO Wants Your Feedback

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  • Not for us (Score:4, Insightful)

    by KiloByte (825081) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:27PM (#12731315)
    Right... just like our feedback would have any effect.
    They have a very strong agenda, and they are the bad guys. The forum is supposed to give them advice about ways to enforce "intellectual property", and this means removing fair use rights, not protecting them.
  • by kc32 (879357) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:29PM (#12731334)
    Sounds to me like it will be the biggest flamewar ever seen.
  • Re:Dear WIPO (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:31PM (#12731350)
    I don't find your comments very humorous, "Frogbert", whatever that means. I think this a great opportunity for some serious discussion, something we've needed for a long time.

    Sorry, I just don't take IP issues lightly.
  • For one (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:32PM (#12731358)
    Make it so that the penality for downloading a movie is less than the penality for mugging someone on the street and buying a legal DVD with the money.
  • by FlyByPC (841016) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:33PM (#12731361) Homepage
    How about "get rid of the middleman?" If movies and music were distributed electronically, and available online as soon as they were released in the theaters, you could do away with a lot of the packaging / marketing / middlemen that drive up the cost. Sell albums for $3-$5 apiece online (more if you need a CD shipped), with no DRM, and I think piracy will go down. Make DVD-quality movies available via download for $5-$10 -- or less for older, less-popular movies -- and people won't bother to pirate those, either.

    Unfortnately, groups like the one doing the survey will be the big losers. Such a scheme benefits artists, actors, and the public -- none of whom have near as good representation and lobbyists as the big recording and movie companies.
  • Oh right. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ravenspear (756059) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:36PM (#12731384)
    This is like the RIAA opening up an IRC channel to get some "intelligent discussion" going about IP enforcement. I think we all know where this will lead.

    I think what is likely going on is that they want to hear some opinions from common people on these issues so they can analyze how to best promote their views in ways that will resonate. That way they can tweak their FUD for optimal consumption by the masses.
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @05:42PM (#12731421)
    Sell albums for $3-$5 apiece online (more if you need a CD shipped), with no DRM, and I think piracy will go down. Make DVD-quality movies available via download for $5-$10 -- or less for older, less-popular movies -- and people won't bother to pirate those, either.

    Your so naive it's touching.

    People have proven time and time over that

    1 - When faced with the choice of either buying something legally for cheap, and downloading something illegally for free with almost no risk of getting caught, they'll get the illegal free stuff. Apart for a few highly moral people, free is better than cheap, period.

    2 - When choosing between cheap, high quality stuff and the free, lesser quality version, people go for the free version. Again, apart for a few elitists and high-fidelity freaks, "free" is the criteria for most people.
  • by Absolut187 (816431) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @06:03PM (#12731528) Homepage
    As a future patent attorney, I encourage them to promote an incredibly complicated system of laws that only specialists can understand.

    This will obviously stifle innovation by raising the cost of product development, but who cares?

    It's not like the original purpose for creating patents and copyrights was to promote the progress of Science and useful Arts.

    Or was it?

  • by Simonetta (207550) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @06:08PM (#12731550)
    Why do I get the funny feeling that these people are much more interested in justifying putting people in prison for listening to music than they are with dealing with the fact that the five entertainment corporations have STOLEN the public domain in the USA by infinitely extending the copyright period.

    When you buy something on 'time' you make an agreed number of payments and then the item is yours, you own it. The seller does not have the legal right to decide to extend the number of payments that you have to make whenever you get close to completion.

    The copyright period works in the same way. We, the people, agree to let X corporation own the right to demand money for the viewing of an individual work of art or entertainment for a precise and limited amount of time agreed upon when the copyright was granted.

    By bribing politicians to extend the copyright period without agreed upon compensation to We, the people, the corporations have stolen the work of art (or entertainment) and all demanded payments for viewing this title after the original copyright period has ended are improper and illegal extortions of revenue from the people wishing to view this work under their public domain rights.

    By bribing the politicians to infinitely extend the copyright period, by extending it EVERY time that it is due to expire, the corporations are engaging in a repeated pattern of criminal behavior. Under the RICO act, the people can demand that the entities engaging in continous criminal behavior be deprived of their means, their assets, and the legal framework for their continued existence.

    By copying music and movies and sharing these files, We, the people, are simply asserting our rights when faced with a corrupt and racketeering organization. Which in this case are entertainment companies who have stolen the public domain.

    Don't let anyone ever tell you again that you are a 'pirate' or thief because you chose to share or download files of entertainment content.
    And don't take any nonsense from corporate-controlled non-government trade organizations either.

    Thank you.
  • Stupid Slashbots (Score:4, Insightful)

    by shadow_slicer (607649) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @06:10PM (#12731564)
    All of the posts so far seem to be just generic knee-jerk comments about IP.

    Consider this: if they recieve well-written and enlightened criticism (as most of the already existing commentary appears to be) then we will be able to view their future actions in light of the forum results. This will provide a yardstick for anyone to compare their future actions.

    If they do something that opposes the majority opinion or most sensible recommendations present in the open forum, we can criticize them.
    As is we have no reference for what information is available to them, so we cannot prove that they are being intentionally evil.

    Even if they refuse to listen to us, it is a chance for concerned parties to submit their concerns in a single location on the record.
    And in case they do listen to us we should explain rationally what and why we hold our opinions, what changes we would recommend and how they would effect those involved (ex. if patents disappeared no one would have to hire a patent attorney (yay!), but would have no protection against people copying their ideas and no incentive to ever document their inventions (boo!)). If they find our explanations acceptable they may change their policies to be more to our liking.
  • by ImaLamer (260199) <john.lamar@gma i l . com> on Sunday June 05, 2005 @06:21PM (#12731610) Homepage Journal
    My feedback will be in the form of a letter which can only be read 3 times. Afterward the paper and ink dissolves into your bloodstream. If you ever discuss the contents of the letter you will die of exsanguination. It affects your DNA and is present for three generations. The only thing you can do is purchase another compaint from me if you want to share it. A small fee of $17,814.72 in the form of a check will allow you to show the letter to one other person once.

    An unlimited license is not available at this time, expect to wait 65 years.
  • summary (Score:2, Insightful)

    by KillShill (877105) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @06:22PM (#12731617)
    WIPO = Global BSA/SPA

    what kind of jail cell do you want today?

    there is NO way in hell that we will ever get anything even remotely reasonable in copyright laws. our only hope is that the current system collapses. there are far too many people with interests that run counter to justice and freedom that control the strings.

    it's not giving up so much as knowing where to draw the line. it's like exerting infinitely more energy in a marathon each step to make it to the finish line when everyone but you is already there.

    it's better to help contribute to its demise. slip copyright a few cyanide tablets when it's not looking.
  • by extra the woos (601736) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @07:34PM (#12732002)
    which is why itunes has been such an incredible failure.

  • by Runagate Rampant (602123) on Sunday June 05, 2005 @08:21PM (#12732229)
    "Treason doth never prosper: ... For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." -- John Harington
  • Re:For one (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Chris84000000 (735658) <> on Sunday June 05, 2005 @09:00PM (#12732439) Homepage
    See though, mugging someone is not as bad, because the studio still gets their money. So with the mugging, less harm is being done...
  • Re:Feedback? easy. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by drsmithy (35869) < minus distro> on Sunday June 05, 2005 @09:05PM (#12732466)
    Everybody hates lawyers, until they need one. Lawyers are preety much the only thing that stands between politicians and absolute power.

    Of course, about the only reason anyone would ever *need* a lawyer is to deal with another lawyer, and the self-reinforcing system of complexity they have built around themselves.

  • Re:Feedback? easy. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 05, 2005 @09:24PM (#12732581)
    Of course, about the only reason anyone would ever *need* a lawyer is to deal with another lawyer

    My god, you're right!

    imagines a world without lawyers
  • Re:Not for us (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mazarin5 (309432) on Monday June 06, 2005 @01:02AM (#12733490) Journal
    I see it as a way of collecting the common protests of one of the most vocal group in opposition to them. Then they run it through the spin machine and come up with pleasantly worded counterarguments that preempt any rational discussion in public forums.
  • by tacocat (527354) <tallison1 AT twmi DOT rr DOT com> on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:26AM (#12734179)

    Don't be a jerk.

    They have asked for an open debate. If you express your side of the debate in a realisticly reasonable manner then there might actually be a chance someone will consider your point.

    If you approach them with the ravings of a lunatic then you get zero points in the debate.

    It would be more fruitful if we considered this a legitimate forum with real listeners then a bitch-blog. The more mature approach will have more impact.

"Free markets select for winning solutions." -- Eric S. Raymond