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French Response to Google is Microsoft 530

efp writes "Mark Liberman posted over in the Language Log that, in considering alternatives to Google's library initiative in Europe, French President Jacques Chirac would consider a partnership with Microsoft 'since he has so many views in common with its president, Bill Gates'. This comes out of talks between the French president, the head of the French National Library and the Minister of Culture, in in part 'building an alter ego to the American project, before thinking of an eventual collaboration with Google, so as not to negotiate from a position of weakness' as they plan to digitize their cultural resources."
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French Response to Google is Microsoft

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  • What I see (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @06:57PM (#12056579)
    I see some kind of retaliation or what I'd call divide & rule, by the French government. "If you do not cooperate, (read `pay for content') I will go to your rival(s)." M$ used this against IBM on a limited level in the 80s and they succeeded to some extent.
  • by Guylhem ( 161858 ) <slashdotNO@SPAMguylhem.net> on Saturday March 26, 2005 @07:22PM (#12056747) Homepage
    Oh my god. At this very moment I'm so ashamed of being french. Could someone please pass the cluestick to Chirac?

    It's not because he don't like what's being done by google/gutemberg/whatever that he should pledge alliance to the evil empire. What's the point of going with Microsoft?

    Forget negociations! This is *wrong*, period. Nothing can justify it.

    What's next? An alliance with McDonalds if Jojo [allinfo.net] decides to open restaurants in France ?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @07:43PM (#12056870)
    France is only defending its culture as it sees fit.

    It is no big deal because digitization of French language works will only hasten their translation to other languages.

    I would welcome being able to read some of the specialized French language scientific journals in my native language.
  • by PopCulture ( 536272 ) <PopCulture AT hotmail DOT com> on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:00PM (#12056980)
    maybe if the US gov't hadn't completely bailed out [wired.com] of the anti-trust case, microsoft- a company that makes operating systems, office productivity tools, databases and development platforms- wouldn't be the only obvious choice to oppose google (who has been less than receptive to this particular customer's wishes, as documented on slashdot many times before...

    basically there's enough blame to go around I guess.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:29PM (#12057138)
    So the lumbering dinosaur that is the modern Microsoft may ally itself with a backwardly-minded socialist republic that is rapidly being taken over by foreign immigrants because their population refuses to breed.

    France is part of the past. Their role in the future will likely can be compared to the foodcourt in the mall except with a heavier emphasis on Middle Eastern cuisine. They're a dying nation who gave up their chance to be relevant when they started stumbling down the misguided road of nationalist socialism. The only thing France is known for anymore is a ramshackle economy, industrial goods no one else in the world would ever buy and opposing US imperialist foreign policy while simultaneously attempting to imperialistically control as much of EU and UN policy as is absolutely possible (and pissing on their own colonies for decades before finally losing them all).

    MS is falling behind technologically when compared to the rest of the industry. Their upcoming OS "update" is a hodgepodge collection of features and patches that should've made it into Windows 98. They're renowned for border-line illegal business tactics, shoddy engineering and the some of the most idiotic and backwards arguments ever heard in the debates over intellectual property rights.

    This is like the T-Rex and the Stegosaurus agreeing to unite in an effort to stop the meteor. It's downright comical.
  • by Ohreally_factor ( 593551 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @08:38PM (#12057180) Journal
    Actually, I think the anti-French thing in the US comes mostly from the second half of the last century, mostly because of Charles de Gaulle [wikipedia.org] (although Churchill, Roosevelt and Ike certainly had problems with him during WW2, but that stuff didn't come to light until later).

    Chirac to my (typically uninformed American) eye seems to be in the mold of de Gaulle, and I'd guess that part of his popularity is from him "standing up" to the US.

    England, otoh, does have a looooong history of conflict with France. The English version of the finger is two fingers held defiantly (with the palm inwards, as opposed to peace or victory, where the palm is outward), from the days when the French would cut off the fingers of any English longbow troops they captured.
  • by organum ( 210431 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:02PM (#12057310)
    This is interesting because politically the U.S. is so much like Microsoft - a lumbering dinosaur of stasis that won't engage an evolving world. Instead, it looks to impose it's will by brute force and deceitful stratagems.

    From my travels in France, I've found the people to be as forward-thinking (and well-informed) politically as they are conformist and sycophantic technologically. Chirac's cluelessness doesn't suprise me in this regard.

    The French government has a reputation for opportunism when it come to matters such as peddling arms to all comers, but, at the same time, it's a government much more likely to be reigned in by an engaged populus -- as opposed to the U.S. where folks rely on pseudo news organizations such as Fox News.

    It's strange how France's romance for American culture has been contorted into a self-abasing worship of one America's largest coporate leech.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 26, 2005 @09:44PM (#12057500)
    Did you know that when the U.S. entered WW2 in the European Theatre, the first military power we opposed was....

    Vichy France in North Africa.

    I am not making this up. Not Germany. Not Italy. France.

    And strangely enough, when the Americans finally beat the French, Petain perversely would *NOT* surrender because he had pledged support to Nazi Germany.

    This is all in "An Army At Dawn" by Rick Atkinson, which I found to be a compelling read.

    But gawdamn FRANCE was sticking by the Nazi's. To Fight Americans and British. Cripes. And then we saved their gaulic asses. I don't get it.
  • by Ohreally_factor ( 593551 ) on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:34PM (#12057755) Journal
    Yes, I know about Vichy France, which the U.S. originally recognized before we joined the hostilities. At that point we supported de Gaulle and the Free French, but never whole heartedly, because de Gaulle was such a pain in the ass (from the Anglo-American perspective).

    You might note that the Free French 19th Corps participated in Operation Torch. And it's been said that the fight was easier because many Vichy soldiers went over to the Free French side, rather than fight the Allies.

    Still, one of the funnier Churchill quotes is, "The heaviest cross I had to bear during the war was the Cross of Lorraine." The Cross of Lorraine was the symbol of Free France, and de Gaulle was Free France.
  • by Guylhem ( 161858 ) <slashdotNO@SPAMguylhem.net> on Saturday March 26, 2005 @10:37PM (#12057769) Homepage
    I wish I knew. I don't like waste of resources either. There's no point in being different just for the sake of being different as you mentionned.In this case it's even ironic - going with microsoft to counter the anglo-saxon centric digital library!!!

    My guess is that it must be some ego problem for some politician who feel bad his/her pet project is so lame when compared with google's one.
  • by deaddrunk ( 443038 ) on Sunday March 27, 2005 @05:42AM (#12059187)
    Jacques has a lot in common with Bill Gates. They're both corrupt and arrogant.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 27, 2005 @06:15AM (#12059240)
    Even in France Chirac is hated . During the last presidential elections where he was running there were huge protests with the slogan: "vote for the crook, not the nazi" and they were asking the people to vote FOR Chirac. The guy has more brains than Bush (who hasn't) but he is probably even more corrupt. (ELF scandal anyone?) Just because he was on the right side of the last dirty war doesn't make him a saint. Don't forget that he was the one in the mid '90s who resumed testing nuclear bombs in the Pacific, when the rest of the world had given up on that sort of thing.

    In a way, I admire the pompous gasbag, but I would never trust him.

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