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3D Election Results Map by County 463

FlopEJoe writes "There are many web-based electoral maps available on the regular news sites (Electorial-vote, CNN) but this image 3d county results seemed more profound to me. Wish I had more to say about it but I don't want to cloud the discussion. I think it speaks for itself and the spin-masters should enjoy it."
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3D Election Results Map by County

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  • Correlations (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tod_miller ( 792541 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @10:18AM (#10733775) Journal
    Because the peaks are due to population, this must correlate somewhat to the skyscraper distribution graph also.

    What software was used?
  • by xutopia ( 469129 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @10:22AM (#10733801) Homepage
    when I feel it is totally legitimate to ask. Has anyone ever looked at intelligence/education as a factor for party affiliation? Are the more educated people in the Bush or Kerry camp? I'm just wondering here.

    In France there was a very racist party (Front National) and the people who would vote for them were on average less educated than people who voted for other parties. The FN leader, Le Pen, said it had to do with the propaganda we have in schools against the FN. Which of course wasn't believed by anyone but the people without an education.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05, 2004 @10:33AM (#10733879)
    Well, from the people I know or have talked to in bars and on the street- I can say that the more intelligent (not necessarily more educated) people all supported Kerry. The less intelligent (but not necessarily less educated) all went for Bush.

    I believe that religion factors into this as well. People who are more religious all like Bush. People who are less or not religious at all support Kerry. I guess this could factor into intelligence as well, as it seems the smarter in general you are less likely you are to believe in God or other religious tokens/aspects.
  • by Zelet ( 515452 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @10:44AM (#10733952) Journal
    The United States Democratic Party is considered to be slightly right of center of every other western country on this planet. So I would have to disagree with you about our education system being "liberal."

    If learning about evolution and not creationism in science class is liberal - than I guess we are for now.

    To me, I think the republican party stands for religion more than anything else. They have lost the principles of small government and fiscal responsibility. They have also lost the ideals of isolationism in world affairs. The one defining characteristic of the current republican party is Christian "values." Of course affordable healthcare so people don't die in the street is also a value. Giving people a wage they can live off of is also a value. But those don't count I guess.
  • by TykeClone ( 668449 ) * <TykeClone@gmail.com> on Friday November 05, 2004 @10:48AM (#10733987) Homepage Journal
    Kind of reminds you of pre-Communist China. Mao Tse Tung controlled the countryside and what's-his-name controlled the cities.
  • by kiolbasa ( 122675 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @11:05AM (#10734128) Homepage
    New York City is split into several counties/boroughs, and on the map it looks like it was split up that way. There are several tall but narrow sections. Chicago and some surrounding area is shown as one huge Cook County spike.
  • Re:Ummm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gaetano ( 142855 ) * on Friday November 05, 2004 @11:18AM (#10734252)
    This page is hosted by ESRI. They write graphical information systems software (gis). I think the intent of this image is to illustrate the capability of their software, not so much to illustrate the election results. Looks like using election results was just a provocative way to get someone to look at their software. I couldn't find where this is linked from on their site. You could say linking to it here is puting it out of context. I would expect to see this image in an add for their product in one of the IT rags.
  • by JavaLord ( 680960 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @12:11PM (#10734704) Journal
    Because the peaks are due to population

    I'd say they have more to do with African American population, since 88% of them voted democratic [cnn.com]which is by far the largest margin in any racial grouping. 88% of African Americans also live in metropolitan areas [wikipedia.org] according to the 2000 census.

    The Republican party must find a way to reach out to these people or at least somehow counter the perception that Republicans are racists.
  • by EvilOpie ( 534946 ) * on Friday November 05, 2004 @12:21PM (#10734775) Homepage
    You know, the first time I checked out the county-by-county maps, one thing stood out to me and I found it quite interesting. The whole time I've been seeing state-by-state maps New York has always been a "blue" state. So I figured that the majority of the state was pro-Kerry. But when you look at the county-by-county maps of New York, you see that while Kerry did get the majority of the New York votes, that geographically most of the state is actually pro-Bush.

    If you look at the New York map, you see that most of the state is either pro-Bush, neutral, or weak-Kerry. The only really strong area of support for Kerry in New York State was New York City. It's a sad but true fact that one city can out-vote the rest of the state.

    I think that's how Hillary Clinton was elected too. I don't know of anyone upstate who was in strong support of her (well, in the Finger Lakes region anyway. But I did see plenty of anti-Hillary signs at the time), but yet she won anyway. There weren't enough non-Hillary votes in the rest of the state to counteract the pro-Hillary votes in NYC.

    It would be interesting if the electoral college could be split along districts. Like if say, the popular vote got the 2 senators votes for the state, and then each district had its representative vote the way that district voted. If that was the case, I'd think that Kerry would have had at most 10 votes in New York State for the electoral college. But considering the current system, he swept the whole state.
  • Hoax (Score:2, Interesting)

    by klossner ( 733867 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @12:22PM (#10734783)
    It's an urban legend. If you track down those sources, they point to the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations." But this state IQ data never appeared in that book (see http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/2004/05/ among others.)

    Anybody who's gone near a statistics book knows it's ludicrous to think an entire state could have an average IQ that's one sigma away from nominal mean.
  • I'm not saying that the Christian right is evil, dumb, or stupid (although, like all groups, they have memebers that DO fit that mold). And having politians being believers is not an issue either. Everyone believes in something. My problem is them using the government to push their agenda, and beliefs, on me.

    And just because something was written into the founding documents doesn't make it right, or appicable to todays world. After all, the Constitution [archives.gov] had provisions for slavery in it. See Article 1, Section 2, third paragraph.

    See, I can look up historical documents, too!

  • Re:Ummm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by spitzak ( 4019 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:54PM (#10736343) Homepage
    Looks to me like the population is divided by the area to get the bar height. Thus the *volume* is the population, which makes sense. Though it can still be really misleading anyway.

    It would also help if they mixed the red and blue in the proportion of the votes.
  • by overunderunderdone ( 521462 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @03:27PM (#10736640)
    All the numbers I've ever seen from this and past elections seem to show the Democrats getting either end of the educational spectrum and Republicans getting the middle. Democrats do better with those that didn't graduate high school AND those with graduate degrees. The Republicans do better with high school and college graduates.
  • Universities (Score:2, Interesting)

    by halosfan ( 691623 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @07:43PM (#10739084) Homepage
    While looking at a NY county map [cnn.com], I was wondering why there is a dark blue county (Tompkins) in the middle of the state. A quick search answered my question -- Tompkins County is the home of Cornell Univeristy. I then looked at some other states, and noticed the same thing: in Michigan both Washtenaw (Univeristy of Michigan) and Ingham (Michigan State) counties are blue. In Indiana, Monroe County (Indiana University) is one of a few blue spots. Champaign County in Illinois is relatively blue compared to surrounding counties. Dane County in Wisconsin (Univeristy of Wisconsin) is bluer than its neighbors. It still worked in Colorado (Boulder), but not in Oklahoma or Texas.
  • by Peaceful_Patriot ( 658116 ) <michelle@goldnug ... m ['bs.' in gap]> on Saturday November 06, 2004 @02:20PM (#10742346) Homepage
    "In case you haven't noticed, small government isn't really on their plate anymore, and they've been co-opted by the religious right's agenda..."

    That is an important point. Bush's win was decided on 'moral issues' which the conservatives have claimed as thier mantra.

    I cannot understand how these 'moral' people can overlook lying to the American people, Congress and the World, invading another country without provocation, killing tens of thousands of civilians, torturing prisoners, even using sexual humilitation...but hey, they were REALLY bad guys...They have ignored the Genova Convention, which is supposed to protect our own troops too...How can you call this man moral? What criteria are the Good Christians using to make this judgement?
  • by corbettw ( 214229 ) on Saturday November 06, 2004 @02:35PM (#10742432) Journal
    The Republican party must find a way to reach out to these people or at least somehow counter the perception that Republicans are racists.

    Why should we reach out to anyone? Last time I checked, we won the election hands down. Considering how many people voted for Kerry and also voted for constitutional amendments banning gay marriage, I'd say Republicans should become more conservative, not less. (I bring up gay marriage as one example, especially since it's likely that blacks who voted for Kerry voted against gay marriage...ergo, if Republicans had come down harder on gay marriage, they would've gotten more black votes.)

    Next time the Democrats pick up a net gain in both houses, capture the White House, and add more governships to their belt, then we can talk about the Republicans changing their stance on the issues. For now, though, it looks like more Americans agree with us, than you.
  • by latroM ( 652152 ) on Saturday November 06, 2004 @03:51PM (#10742791) Homepage Journal
    Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.

Love may laugh at locksmiths, but he has a profound respect for money bags. -- Sidney Paternoster, "The Folly of the Wise"

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