3D Election Results Map by County 463
FlopEJoe writes "There are many web-based electoral maps available on the regular news sites (Electorial-vote, CNN) but this image 3d county results seemed more profound to me. Wish I had more to say about it but I don't want to cloud the discussion. I think it speaks for itself and the spin-masters should enjoy it."
prettier map (Score:5, Informative)
Not all blue areas are large prosperous cities (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I was modded down as troll for saying this (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, CNN has the exit polls [cnn.com] - just look for "EDUCATION" and you should find it.
Re:I was modded down as troll for saying this (Score:5, Informative)
So, truth be told, the more someone is educated, the more likely they are to be liberal. This is not to say that Republicans are stupid (in fact, I think they are quite intelligent).
Anyways, here is the breakdown you were asking for.
Election Breakdown by IQ [geekgossip.net] Any doubts at the validity, the author provides his sources, so feel free to double check.
Re:I was modded down as troll for saying this (Score:3, Informative)
BUSH KERRY NADER
No High School (4%) 49% 50% 0%
H.S. Graduate (22%) 52% 47% 0%
Some College (32%) 54% 46% 0%
College Graduate (26%) 52% 46% 1%
Postgrad Study (16%) 44% 55% 1%
BUSH KERRY NADER
No College Degree (58%) 53% 47% 0%
College Graduate (42%) 49% 49% 1%
Overall, things aren't terribly lopsided one way or the other. The one area Kerry has a lead, postgrads, is pretty close to it was in 2000, so I don't think many people at that level shifted much away from the President.
Re:Correlations (Score:4, Informative)
It's a hoax (Score:3, Informative)
That pages uses www.chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm [chrisevans3d.com] as a source. It'll redirect you to attenuation.net/files/iq.htm [attenuation.net]. From there, you can find www.sq.4mg.com/IQschools.htm [4mg.com] which has estimates for state IQ based on ACT/SAT tests. You'll notice that the IQs are much more evenly distributed. If you follow his link to http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm [4mg.com], you'll see links at the bottom to the unverified hoax IQ scores [4mg.com] used in your chart. Someone simply updated the 2000 Gore/Bush chart for 2004.
Another Interesting Map (Score:3, Informative)
Purple Mountain Majesties [boingboing.net]
America isn't really "Red" or "Blue." It's Purple.
Well, aside from Utah, anyway
Re:Why 3D? (Score:3, Informative)
Note that I do *not* think this is a good way to view the info. You'll see that I tinted the top of the bars. If I did this for all blue counties, everything would appear red. This is a very very misleading map any way you draw it. Hopefully, this is a bit less misleading than the original:
"Fixed" Map [cheshirehall.net]
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Evan
Re:Electoral College Democracy (Score:1, Informative)
We live in a Democratic Republic, not a Democracy.
Very few times in our History (4, to be exact) has the Electoral College not represented the popular vote of the people. In each of these cases, a strong argument can be made that the Electoral College selected the better Presidential candidate against the will of the people, which is exactly what was intended.
The EC was initially setup because political parties were not expected to be formed and candidates were not expected to campaign for votes. The function of the EC was modified slightly twice to its current basis for the 1804 election, to prevent ties in the EC and to allow for the operation of political parties.
Nowhere during this time was there consideration for participation of common people, women, or slaves in the voting process. Your statements about cities vs. suburbs and slaves are fiction.
No one can provide a single instance in the last 200 years where the current Electoral College system failed in the selection of a Presidential Candidate.
Change for the sake of change is ridiculous, and its no reason to change the U.S. Constitution.
Re:Wages are earned. (Score:3, Informative)
First if money is deflated in value then people with money don't have to do anything at all. The more money they have the more money they get just by holding onto it. No reason to invest in anything because your money is just gaining value. This is bad because only rich people will have money. Poor will not be able to have a job because of no investment.
If money stays the same value all the time you end up with a lesser extreme of the above scenario. There will be a small amount of investment but because $1,000,000 is always going to be worth that much there is no hurry.
With a small steady inflation rate it will help keep the economy moving. It will help rich people move money out of bank savings accounts and into corporate investment and stock markets. It will help people obtain jobs and continue to grow the general economy. Money is only really worth something when it is spent.
Back to minimum wage. A way for government to control inflation is through a minimum wage. Slowly growing what the lowest paying job is will have the effect of raising prices to match, witch will raise profit (numerically not value wise), it will stir up the economy and keep things moving.
Re:What's so profound? (Score:3, Informative)
This 3D map is a much more accurate reflection of the voter reality.
Now, I don't want to sound like a sore loser. Bush won fair and square. He got more votes. He secured the Electoral College. No (or neglegable) voter fraud or intimidation. Maybe if the Democrats would have put someone other than Mr. Empty Suit up, the election would have turned out different.
Re:I was modded down as troll for saying this (Score:1, Informative)
I would say that probably applies not just to libertarians, but also others whose political views are outside the mainstream. Those who have not accepted societal indoctrination into either the Dem or Republican camps are more likely to think for themselves. Which I believe is a sign of intelligence.
Re:Electoral College Democracy (Score:5, Informative)
And mayeb, just maybe if the founders put a democracy in place you might have a point. Were are a Federal Republic.
Since we no longer have slave owners, it's kind of moot to continue having the Electoral College.
Except that we are a Federal Republic
If you read the Federalist Papers, you'll discover that the founding fathers weren't real keen on giving Joe Schmoe a vote
Yes becuase of joe and 50 of his freinds decide to screw jane and 48 of her friends out of something, in a democracy they can. So instead they built a Represenative system with chekcs and balances.
The point of a Democracy is that the majority of the people get to determine things.
As Franklin said "Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on whats for Dinner"
If you do anything to dilute the power of the majority (Electoral College, Aparthied, for example), then you're not living in a Democracy.
Oh nevermind you do get it, we are not a democracy we are a Democratic Republic. Now here is one to wrap your head around True Democracy is like True Communism, it cant exist. True Democracy would entail every person voting on everything that would happen. Can you imagine election day, every day for things like peanut subsidies? Without a slave population (like that of ancient Athens) the citizens do not have the time to vote on every issue..
You can argue all you want about increasing the power of rural voters, but that still doesn't mean it's right -- or that it's a democracy.
It also does not mean its wrong, and yes we are not a democracy...
Senators weren't directly elected by the people until the 1920's. Things can, do, and should change.
Yup and if you want to trash the EC have fun because at least 35-40 States stand to lose power if you do. Electing senators did not affect the states (we are a federal republic) balance of power, traching the EC does.
Re:African American Vote (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Electoral College Democracy (Score:3, Informative)
There were no suburbs when the electoral college was created, and when it was created one of the ideas behind it was to take away the voting power of slave owners The electoral college was simply a compromise between the states with a large population and the states with a small population to elect a president.
Since we no longer have slave owners, it's kind of moot to continue having the Electoral College.
That isn't why the EC was created.
If you read the Federalist Papers, you'll discover that the founding fathers weren't real keen on giving Joe Schmoe
No, they weren't. They were of the belief that you should be a land owning male to vote. Those were very different times though.
a vote, and if you read History, you'll find that slave owners wanted their slaves to count as three-fifths of a person for voting purposes, but had no intention of giving them the right to vote.
Indeed, the southern slave owners had no intentions of allowing their slaves to vote. Howevver, they wanted their slaves to have a full vote! Not three fifths of a vote! Three fifths of a vote was another compromise made between the north and the south. Most of the founding fathers were against slavery, but if they wanted to form a union with the southern states it was a necessary evil. They did not want the south to have the voting power to continue slavery forever, so the north was against the slaves being able to vote (since their masters would be the ones really voting for them) and that is how they came up with the three fifths compromise which everyone looks to today and calls 'racist' when it was in fact an example of the original desire of the founding fathers to limit the powers of the south and eventually destroy slavery.
For someone who writes things like 'if you read History' you sure have a distorted view of it.
The point of a Democracy is that the majority of the people get to determine things. If you do anything to dilute the power of the majority (Electoral College, Aparthied, for example), then you're not living in a Democracy.
We don't live in a true direct democracy where the people determine things. It's a good thing too since the majority of people are not always right. If the majority of people voted tommorow for Apartheid to be reinstated would that be right simply because it was come to in a democratic process?
Re:What's so profound? (Score:3, Informative)
As things stand, I'll vote for the Democrats in every close election, like the last one (if its going to be a blow out one way or the other, I'll vote Libertarian). I find the influence of the Christian -right to be one of the scariest things facing America.
Blue states subsidize the red ones (Score:5, Informative)
That's a nice thought and theory on why people vote that way, but if you look at how much is paid per capita in taxes vs. how much is received in federal expenditures, the people in the red states are predominantly on the receiving end of the taxes paid by the people in the blue states:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxingspending.html [taxfoundation.org]
I'd really like to see a map overlay, but it looks to me like they vote like vampires...because they certainly aren't opposed to welfare.
They also seem way too interested in controlling what happens inside other peoples' bedrooms and bodies.
Re:What's so profound? (Score:2, Informative)
The Declaration of Independence was written by Thomas Jefferson, who was not a Christian.
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson