Bush Campaign Offices Burglarized

DesScorp writes "The Washington State offices of the Bush campaign were burglarized, and computers with sensitive campaign data were stolen. The computers belonged the executive director and officer in charge of the 'get out the vote' campaign; one was set to be delivered to another office within the state. The staff says that secret strategy information and voting data are on the computers, and ironically, they're comparing it to Watergate. The staff blames Democratic Party activists intent on stealing the information. Of course, they deny this."

Re:They didn't like my version

[Anonymous Coward]

"There is also evidence [nwsource.com] that the Democrats are taking a page from Watergate history."

Give me a break. There is not even the slightest shred of evidence supporting anything of the sort in that article. There is an entirely unfounded accusation (from the State Republican Party Chairman; hardly an unbiased source) but not a hint of any proof. If this is your idea of evidence I certainly hope you never get called to jury duty.

Re:You aren't much of an expert either

[Rayonic]

Here's a rather in-depth analysis for you. [mac.com]

Being crumpled up and run through a copier for a few generations will introduce some variation in the horizontal and vertical spacing (mostly to do with the position of the scanning element.)

But the main jist is that the forged memo is impossible to duplicate on any typewriter of the era -- even the best $3000 Selectric Composer typesetting machine. Whereas if you load up a modern version of MS Word, keep the default settings, and type up and print out the text of the memo, you get a perfect match.

everyone knew how pissed the colonel was about Bush playing fast and loose with his obligation

Says who? Proven liar Bill Burkett? Killian's former secretary (who is now a Democrat)? Killian's wife and son disagree with their claims, and the only hard evidence turned out to be forged.

Bush signed up for 5 yars flight obligation and walked away from the last two years.

Outright incorrect. Bush was denied a place in the flight line in Alabama (too many pilots), so he skipped an invasive medical exam and got grounded. He then finished off his point requirements for the year and left legitimately.

And besides, they were retiring his jet fighter anyway. Even if the option had been available to him, there wasn't enough time left in his Air National Guard duty to train for a new plane.

Sitting for 7 minutes reading a book like a deer in headlights while the country is udner attack --- what kind of bravery is that?

Waiting for the Secret Service to scout out the area and prep an alternate escape route. What did you want him to do, run the country by phone?

On a related note, accoring to Kerry's wife, Kerry was dumbstruck for 20 minutes on 9/11/01 (weren't we all?). Furthermore, Mrs. Kerry thinks Bush acted appropriately. [eddriscoll.com]

He can't even take responsibility for anything.

Well then hold him responsible for his actions. Don't let him off the hook this November -- re-elect him and make him deal with the consequences of his actions, good or bad.

Bush-speak...

[BrokenHalo]

Burglarized?

A burglar might burgle a property, in which case the property has been burgled

Re:Bullshit!

[Rayonic]

So you can make it mismatch and match at the same time? Crumple it up to make it misaligned and look like a typewritten document, but it still matches Word exactly? Pretty clever!

Because the alignment distortion is consistent with modern photocopiers. Did you even look at the link I gave you? Here's a shorter one [littlegreenfootballs.com]. Keep in mind that nothing comes even vaguely as close as MS Word.

As for not being required to finish his flight obligation, he signed documents to get into the Guard that he would spend 5 years flying, and only did three.

Well, seeing as he broke no rules and got an honorable discharge, I'd have to say everything went fine.

a standard flight physical which would have incidentally shown up his cocaine usage. He'd taken them before, and he sure as hell supports the war on drugs. I guess he just can't take the heat. He was also told that the Alabama outfit was not acceptable, went ahead on his own and flaked out from both bases anyway.

Where's the proof? Still being fabricated?

If he was typing up memos himself to cover his ass for Bush's outside interference

He couldn't type and the memos were forged. Please try to pay attention.

do you think it likely he'd blab to his wife? How old were his children then?

Okay, then, actual, legit documents show Killian praising Bush. [mac.com] Allow me to quote:

"Lt Bush is a dynamic outstanding young officer. He clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot. Lt Bush is possessed of sound judgement, yet is a tenacious competitor and an aggressive pilot. He is mature beyond his age and experience level as evidenced by his recent participation in the unit firing deployment."

Just give it up already, will you? You're embarassing yourself.

Re:Bush-speak...

[recursiv]

Verify [reference.com] your [reference.com] facts [m-w.com] before [yourdictionary.com] posting. [bartleby.com]
That way, I won't have to do it for you.

Re:Two equally plausible scenarios

[torpor]

He's not trying to take over the world or whatever nefarious deeds you've conjured up in your imaginations.

Umm.. yes he is. I can't believe you don't think that he is. [newamericancentury.org]

Afghanistan, Iraq == "Two Shining Examples of Western Democracy In the Middle East"

My ass he's not trying!

Re:Two equally plausible scenarios

[Seraphim_72]

Even if you don't agree with my assessment of the Bush administration's success in the war on terror, look no farther than the enemies. Hamas is handing out free copies of Fahrenheit 9/11!

You see it one way - I see it as an enemy handing out material that shows just how mutch of a boob the President is - but I would really enjoy knowing why you think they are handing it out.

You know I was asked by some republican friends of mine about Zell Miller's speech at the convention, my reply was - "It is too bad that the Rupublican Party has been beaten by terrorists." Just like you right now they were sputtering "W-W-WHAT?!" All I have heard from the right it terror, Terror, TERROR! All I hear from the right is how scared they are - despite the fact that this same bunch has been blowing crap up for years all across the globe - including the U.S. Islamic Extremeism existed before George Bush and 9/11 and it will be here a long time after he is gone. Far from winning the "War" on terror 'W' is creating new converts daily. Remember when Napster was the King of music sharing and the RIAA went after them? Everyone said "If they had only talked to them, used them - then they could have controlled the market" - but no, we understood that for every Napster you smash two will rise up to take it's place. The same is true of the islamic extremeists. Was Northern Ireland won by force of arms - or by negotiation? Was Chechnya won by force of arms? Has Afganistan been been won in the 3 years that we have been there? The truth of the matter is that the world has changed since it was as easy as sending in an army and having a defeated people kow-tow to you after they have been beaten. One thing that I always find interesting is how Republicans look at the world through 1950's tinted glasses. The world has changed greatly and sending in the troops needs to be a last resort, and in Iraq it wasn't even close to being a last resort. Why didn't George Senior go in? Have you ever read his reasoning as to why the troops pulled up short 10 years ago? the same reasons apply today.

I pride myself at my objectivity--especially with my politics ... Kofi Annan and his band of dictators.

I don't even know where to begin with that. Throwing away the organization that helped keep the world from being a glowing radioactive heap just because it doesnt want one half invading the other is just plain odd. The UN does many many good things and this kind of "New World Order" stuff never ceases to amaze me.

Ted Kennedy less than a week ago likened a vote for Bush to a vote for a nuclear bomb in a major American city.

Well, I will tell you something from the left then - The president and Dick Cheaney have been (from our perspective) been lobing the same grenade at Kerry and Co since day 1. If you want to be outraged by that kind of statement (and you should) - get in line.

Fun chat though - keep up the fight! - even if I don't agree with you it is the discourse that matters the most.

Sera

Swift boat vets swift with the truth

[A nonymous Coward]

Funny isn't it, how almost all the swift boat vets who now condemn Kerry were singing his praises in speech and writing previously, some only last year. Furthermore, those who now condemn him either weren't in service with him, weren't in his battles, or just plain weren't even in theater. One of them, who condemns his silver or bronze star, got the same medal for the same action with the same message, and no that message was not written by Kerry. And it was approved and forwarded on by some admiral who wasn't even on scene and now calls it a lie.

Anyone who puts credence in the swift boat vets is just plain blind.

Karl Rove has form

[Zeinfeld]

In past election contests Karl Rove has performed exactly this type of trick. In one case he bugged his own campaign HQ and then 'discovered' the bug, made a media stink about it and was afterwards forced to admit he had planted the device himself.

Faux news has published two entirely fake stories about Kerry in the past two days. The first was a list of fake quotes he never made, hastily withdrawn after Josh Micah Marshall blew the whistle on them. The second was reporting quotes from 'Communists for Kerry' without mentioning to their viewers that it is a Republican parody 527.

Sure political burgalries do take place. Particularly under Republican Presidents. But you really can't rush to judgement till you have some facts to go on. Otherwise you end up having to believe the wierd shit put out by the DNC claiming that Rove faked the Bush AWOL memos.

Just watch the next two debates and think to yourself how much better off the country and the world will be when the next time you hear Bush making a speech is his concession to Kerry.