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60 Minutes Interview (Score:2)
Re:60 Minutes Interview (Score:2)
Does this matter? (Score:4, Insightful)
What does matter to me is that they both support sending my family members in the Army to Iraq to fight a war we shouldn't be fighting.
The death toll for American soldiers just passed 1,000 [badnarik.org] and neither Bush nor Kerry will get us out of there. That's a lot more important to me than how Bush got into the Air National Guard.
Yours truly,
Mr. X
...disgusted...
Re:Does this matter? (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems pretty clear, though, that the back-and-forth of irrelevant campaign issues is just going to continue, and unfortunately I've got to assume that's because it's actually effective with a certain segment of voters. Given that, it suppose it *is* actually important for my side to wave this sort of irrelevant dirt around. Obviously, a "they started it" debate here would be futile, but once the mud starts flying it more or less forces both campaigns to engage in it.
There's only one solution: hunger for the day when the American public reaches a level of sophistication where they can (a) identify a fairly reliable and impartial source of information and (b) actually check the BS they hear against those. I mean, the vast majority of Americans are sitting on top of the greatest source of information in the history of history, but they're relying on politicians and sites like NewsMax to tell 'em how it is...
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Same for everybody else.
That's why Clinton told him to stfu regarding his service in Vietnam.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's not forget McCain. Wasn't it cool the way Bush & Rove won the South Carolina [ronsuskind.com] primary?
It matters to one class of person (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It matters to one class of person (Score:2)
I strongly agree with your notion that it's not about our votes. Indeed, it is about effectively refuting the mud that started slinging, so that this petty issue does not sway someone who might somehow be undecided.
Most of the undecided are the uniformed. They are uninformed usually by choice, due to apathy.
The majorit
Re:It matters to one class of person (Score:4, Insightful)
The swift boat stuff was all concerned actions 30+ years ago. Did Kerry tell recent lies about those actions? I don't think so -- all the fact checking I've seen supports Kerry and says the swift boat gang are liars.
Did Bush lie recently about his National Guard service? It appears he did. It appears Bush never completed his NG duty, and continues to claim he did. It also appears Bush is deceiving us somehow about what he did in Alabama. It also appears Bush engaged in a coverup, using his powers as governor of Texas to "cleanse" his record.
Now these aren't big lies Bush has told, but they're lies. And the coverup is a bigger deal. Both the coverup and the lies speak about Bush's character. Since Bush has made his character such an issue in the campaign, the lies and coverup matter.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Only a fool publicly advertises military withdrawl plans when you're still engaging an enemy.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
It takes a real fool to go into war without an exit strategy.
One thing you still don't realize about our current enemy though- they are death worshipers. They WANT the United States to stay engaged in Iraq for as long as possible. The longer the United States stays engaged in Iraq, the larger the chance of collateral damage. The more collateral damage, the more
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Secondly, if the US is going to leave, *and they can believe it*, they have no reason to hit the US. All it could do is derail the exit of US forces.
I think it matters, and here's why (Score:5, Insightful)
Doesn't that seem logical? Isn't that corroborating evidence for the whole tragic arc of the last two years?
Kerry supported giving the President the authority to initiate the war in Iraq. That's not the same as launching the war. When Bush and his campaign say that Kerry "voted to go to war," they are lying.
And yes, Kerry may have to deal with the aftermath of Iraq in the same sticky, deliberate way that Bush will. There's no easy way out; that's why they call it a quagmire. But re-electing Bush gives him four more years to invade more countries unnecessarily. When I read the transcript of John Kerry speaking to the Senate in 1971 [npr.org], I can't help but feel that this man is more to be trusted with our troops than a man who spent the early '70s "boasting about how much alcohol he had consumed the night before." [salon.com]
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:2)
Not only did Kerry support going to war, he's since said publicly that he'd do it again, even in hindsight.
The war was a mistake. Still is. Why should I vote for a candidate who can't see that? Why should I vote for a candidate who can't even give a cogent answer to his own question from that 1971 Senate
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:3, Insightful)
No, he supported giving the authority to go to war, and said that in hindsight he still would.
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:2)
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:5, Informative)
Brainwashed by the republicans, are you? He never said he supported the war. He said he voted to give the president the authority to go to war, and he would do it again. I know, it's really hard to pay attention to little details like that when there are all kinds of shiny things around, but it's important, so try. If you read the text of the law that Kerry voted for, it's very explicit. It doesn't say "We vote to attack Iraq", it puts conditions under which the President is given the authority to attack Iraq.
Some of the more illuminating bits of this law include:
Vive la difference! (Score:2)
Maybe it's this quote from the Post that has me confused:
"Responding to President Bush's challenge to clarify his position, Sen. John F. Kerry said Monday that he still would have voted to authorize the war in Iraq even if he had known then that U.S. and allied forces would not find weapons of mass destruction."
I guess I thought authorizing a wa
My point exactly (Score:2)
You did make the mistake that authorizing the war and using that authorization were the same thing. They're not. To claim they were the same would be the same thing as claiming that handing someone a loaded gun is the same thing as shooting someone in the head.
While you may disagree with Kerry's position (and I happen to disagree with it too), there's a vast gulf of difference between saying "Ok, you can wage war, but only as a last resort under this limited set of conditions" and saying "Open fire".
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:2)
I guess if Kerry skirts all responsibility for the Iraq war if he voted to give the President the authority to go to war. If someone authorizes another's actions, I believe the authorizer is demonstrating approval and should share responsibility.
Yay, rush (Score:3, Insightful)
Just by mentioning his name, do you know how low your credibility drops?
So you're saying that Kerry did think it was a good idea to fund the war properly? Gee, haven't the republicans been saying for weeks that Kerry didn't want to fund the war, and didn't want the soldiers to have body armour?
In August 2003, the war was in full-swing. Once the war has started I'm not at all surprised that Kerry would want to spend what it takes to keep the soldiers safe. Even a strongly anti-war person would have
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:3, Insightful)
This is exactly the profile of JFK.
Decorated Commander of a river patrol boat.
Wounded in action and gets the Purple Heart.
Saves a wounded crewmate from drowning
Accomplished Senator from Massachussets
A man like that would never lead us into another useless war. He's seen too m
Re:I think it matters, and here's why (Score:3, Informative)
Yea, right. It's amazing you people believe this BS.
Two hundred and fifty of THESE GUYS [billingsgazette.com].
Columbus swift boat vet angry about le
Re:Does this matter? (Score:3, Funny)
No. I agree with you. And so does Bill Maher!
No one has their shit together at 22. Now, outside of the basic fairness of placing George Bush in with all the other young men of his era who found a way to avoid Vietnam, I don't really care if our president showed up for all his National Guard jumping jacks in 1973. I don't care that there's evidence that John Kerry once very nearly met Jane Fonda.
We'
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
I am queried almost daily now on embarrassing topics such as this. Really I am at loss to explain that just because politicians are lying thieving bastards, and the political process is corrupt doesn't mean that there are a lot of reasonable Americans and a lot a very beautiful places to visit. Shame we have disposed of the reputation of moral, good people that we used to enjoy.
And before the r
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Many local communities are demanding that US military bases be reduced or removed (Japan, Germany & Saudi Arabia come to mind). US aid money has much more to do with American interests and American lobbyists, outside of Israel and Oil producing nations US foreign aid is limited and capricious. America can't buy good will anymore and it has lost the respect that was gained, after WWII, during the cold war.
It's obvious you should get out more and understand how the world vie
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Do you get this upset about France and their helping Irag (against UN agreements) build their oil industry and buy weapons? Or is that behavior ok as long as someone other than the USA is doing it.
You're a fucking liar and a tool. You buy uncritically accept any load of bullshit you hear from Sean Hannity and propagate it to spread the meme. People have repeatedly pointed out to you that the whole UN "scandal" was nothing of the kind, and yet you perpetuate it endlessly.
So screw you, dickcheese. If you h
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
And, last time I checked the Oil for Food money diversion where still being check on. Nor has france explained how modern french weapons where found in iraq.
When you have to result to calling people names it just shows how weak your argument is.
One last question, what is your view on abortion?
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Lastly, in places like Iraq, the money often flows through so many channels (Pentagon->USAID->puppet leaders->tribal shieks->locals, or whatnot) that at each step it's not as bad as if the US tried to directly hand over cash using heavily armed soldiers.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Probably not. I'm sure there are others.
I, however, do think what someone did 30 years ago does sometimes matter.
I don't see anyone saying "Who cares what Manson did 30 years ago?". Heck, by your logic, anyone serving a life sentence should be set free after 30 years because it shouldn't matter any more.
Who cares if Kerry admitted publically to commiting war crimes 30 years ago? I do. It means he e
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
My mistake. Bush Sr. was US Ambassador to the United Nations at the time in question... then CIA director. My timing was wrong, but the net effect is the same - the government isn't going to put his kid in a war zone. Reference here [congress.gov]. Before the Ambassador gig, Sr. was in congress. I take it you did google? And chose to ignore the parts you didn't like?
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2, Informative)
Kerry didn't admit to commiting war crimes... The stories he relating to the Senete Committee where related to him. Guilty of hear-say? Yes. Guilty of war crimes? No...
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
But even if he didn't commit them, as an officer, he was still guilty of war crimes by witnessing the acts and failing to either a) act upon them or b) report them up the chain of command.
Of course, the fact that all the atrocities he reported never existed outside of his fertile imagination is something that no Kerry supporter actually likes to admit, for obvious reasons.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Oh yeah, that's right: Speak in front of the Senate and try and get the US to change its military policies in vietnam!
He came back furious with what he saw, what US troops were ordered to do, and tried to change the policies. That's noble - and yet, you people never let him live it down.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:5, Informative)
2) Are you aware that several of the people who knowingly signed the list later retracted, saying they didn't read it well first?
3) Are you aware that the very medals that the leader of this group has were due to being awarded them for heroism under fire in the same situation Kerry was in? And that several leaders in the group are on record previously praising Kerry for his heroism - sometimes even recently?
4) Are you aware that essentially every navy document from the time, including even the damage reports from the boats (which had bullet holes) has backed up Kerry's side?
5) Are you aware that of the people who actually *Served With* Kerry on his boat, all but one have voiced support for him (and that one is dead), and that of the surviving members, all but one are campaigning with him (and that one supports him nonetheless)?
6) Are you aware that the doctor who claims to have treated Kerry's wounds wasn't the one listed on the documentation as having treated Kerry, and that the doctor who did treat him affirmed Kerry's report of the wound?
Need I go on? There were only a handful of boats even present on the day, so your "254" number is just ludicrous. They "served with him" in the fact that they were in vietnam on swift boats at the same time that he was in vietnam on a swift boat. But even most damning is the fact that the head of this group was also in charge of several other smear campaigns in the past, including one against McCain (undoubtedly one of the reasons why McCain has come down so firmly against these ads).
About all that I can say that's good about them, is at least it's not the same people who did the "McCain fathered a black child!" race-baiting smear.
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
1) Hadn't heard that one yet.
2) Nope, I haven't heard that one either.
3) Hadn't heard that either.
4) I've heard the exact opposite of that.
5) That doesn't jive with what I've heard either.
6) Nope. I've heard the doctor on record as having treated him doesn't back Kerry's story.
Could you site some sources, please?
Re:Does this matter? (Score:3, Informative)
2. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08
3. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A13267-20 04Aug18?language=printer
http://www.factcheck.org
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil es/Thurlow Award Recc.pdf
http://www.iht.com/articles/534905.html
4. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/new
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
Why don't we count the number of Iraqi patriots who have died fighting insurgents and terrorists? They died defending their own country, trying to secure it to a point where they might actually get a free election. The insurgents and the terrorists are doing everything in their power to prevent this.
Shall we count the innocent victims of terrorism and
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/display P ri ntable.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/16/wirq216.xml&site =5 (police firing at journalists, trying to drive them out of the city)
http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000810
(I can get you as many as you want)
We are not fighting "t
It half matters (Score:2)
Hey, did you know senator Kerry was in vietnam?
seriously, it would matter less if Kerry wasn't running almost entirely on his vietnam service and skipping his 20 years in the senate entirely. The entire democratic convention was spent talking about what happened 30 years ago, painting Kerry as the nice little war hero. Or trying.
Problem is, real heros don't proclaim they're heros at every turn.
Kerry d
Re:Does this matter? (Score:2)
I agree with you that the war from 30 years ago does not matter. And I keep saying it constantly, but it doesn't seem to help. :)
I also hasten to point out, as I'm sure you already know, that Michael Badnarik is the ONLY anti-war candidate, given that Kerry recently stated he STILL would have voted for the war, even knowing what he knows today about the absence or presence of WMD's. I can't believe all the Bush-haters, who primarily hate Bush because of the war issue, would vote for Kerry, who is also f
Re:Does this matter? --- BZZT wrong (Score:2)
>> would have voted for the war,
Actually, what Kerry said is that he still would have voted to give the president the authority to go to war. That's rather different. Especially when you put it in context with what that authority means. As Kerry has pointed out, the president can go to war without Congress's vote. As Kerry has pointed out, Clinton went to Bosnia without Congressional authority. As Kerry has explained, the purpose of the author
Isn't it interesting (Score:4, Insightful)
Not so. (Score:2)
Re:Not so. (Score:2)
nobody was "for" Vietnam in 1971. there was a huge backlash against this unpopular and worthless war. stating otherwise now is dishonest.
Kerry represented a large group of vietnam vets, and presented their stories to congress. He spoke Truth to Power. He was a decorated war hero that came back and spoke against the war he took part in. He spoke Truth.
As for the Swift Liars -let me say that
Re:Not so. (Score:2)
True- ok, that counts for the other 240 some vets.
Swift boats are pretty small, and only have a crew of about 6 men (i.e. less than Kerry has in his "band of brothers." However, they operated in squads with several boats each. The Swift Boat vets have never claimed to be on the same boat, but they have claimed to be in the s
Re:Isn't it interesting (Score:2)
Re:Isn't it interesting (Score:2)
You know, he may have a point.
Re:Isn't it interesting (Score:2)
One way to win is to destroy all of your enemies. But my point with the question is that even Mr. Bush seems rather unsure of the point- during the RNC he gave three interviews that gave three entirely different answers to that question. And it's not the first thing he's waffled on- Offshore Outsourcing is another issue. His administration, up until this w
Re:Isn't it interesting (Score:2)
Re:Isn't it interesting (Score:2)
True or false- Bush joined the Air National Guard to defend Texas during the Vietnam war?
Now let's assume for a moment that you guys are correct, and Bush DID dodge the draft. Well guess what? The only difference between Bush and Kerry was that Kerry tried to do the same thing, but failed.
Not quite the same thing- Bush was way too stupid to ever get an educational deferment in Paris. His grades weren't good enough. That's a huge difference between Kerr
Blatantly political.... (Score:3)
Re:Blatantly political.... (Score:2)
Re:Blatantly political.... (Score:2)
I went into my Preferences, on the Home Page, and checked that I wanted to gnore the Politics, Democrats, and Republicans topics under Exclude Stories from the Homepage. And yes, I hit Save. Nevertheless, these stories keep appearing.
Re:Blatantly political.... (Score:3, Informative)
The exclusion not working is a bug, it will be fixed. In the meantime, don't collpase sections.
Re:Blatantly political.... (Score:2)
You might want to stop by PLASTIC's Politics Section [plastic.com] for a more matured (and generally maturer) Slash-type discussion site on Politics.
Form 180 (Score:4, Insightful)
What is he trying to hide? After all, he is the one who has been running on his military record.
On the topics of politics.slashdot.org, why isn't it more balanced and why aren't real political matters being covered?
Re:Form 180 (Score:2)
Re:Form 180 (Score:2)
Why doesn't Kerry run on his record in the Senate? Could it be that he hasn't done anything that matters in his 16+ years in the Senate?
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John Kerry's biographer today called on the presidential candidate to release his military records and warned a Navy investigation into his medals could prove to be the "death knell" of his campaign.
In the past, Kerry has said he could not release some documents because of contractual obligations to Douglas Brinkley, author of "Tour
Re:Form 180 (Score:2)
If their is nothing to hide in his records why doesn't he sign the form? Signing the form would put all the rumors to rest about his time in the military. He brought the damn thing up, and now that people have questions about it, he wants to sweep it under the rug.
url:http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfi l es
So wait?!?! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:So wait?!?! (Score:2)
past behavior is a predictor of future behavior (Score:2, Interesting)
Oh, and the other guy is also unsuitable to hold public office, for hosts of other reasons.
Remember: it is only those who are least suited to hold elected office that are stupid/corrupt enough to even accept a nomination.
I would dearly love for ei
Re:past behavior is a predictor of future behavior (Score:2)
Well, Nixon certainly didn't let his Quaker beliefs get in his way...
Re:past behavior is a predictor of future behavior (Score:3, Interesting)
I really, really, really do NOT want a President who is going to "improve the quality of life" for every US Citizen.
Actually, I can't think of much of any one thing that could be done that would accomplish that.
Lowering taxes? No, the Big Government types wouldn't like that.
Raising taxes? No, the Small G
Enough of this Canned BS... (Score:4, Insightful)
As far as I'm concerned, both sides smell of rot on this issue, until I can decide for myself instead of having the decision made for me by the media.
The problem... (Score:4, Insightful)
The bottom line is that, at worst, Bush dodge the draft - and we already knew that - and then blew off his national guard service - if you didn't already know this, you should've. On the other hand, it appears from his own statements [nationalreview.com] that Kerry falsely accused the United States government of having him invade a foreign country in 1968 - a claim he made from the senate floor in 1986 and has made many times before and sense.
Why do we have a media frenzy over the one and a media blackout over the other? Answer: 85% of employees in the news media are Democrats.
Now, I'm not much of a Republican. I will probably vote for Kerry. But I am disturbed at the way in which the mainstream media has failed to cover questions regarding Kerry's war record compared to this silliness about Bush's National Guard record. When they've covered the Kerry question at all, it has been coverage questioning the relationship between the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat ads. They have ignored everything but the question of Bush '04 involvemnt. I would really appreaciate some responsible coverage of the Christmas in Cambodia issue, but I've been unable to find it.
Re:The problem... (Score:2, Informative)
Holiday in Cambodia [msn.com], by Fred Kaplan:
It's worth reading some of the opposing views (Score:3, Insightful)
Bush AWOL: Case Closed [nationalreview.com]
It might be interesting to look at Ben barnes [blogspot.com], who claims he helped Bush get into the TANG in 1968, as Lt GOV of Texas. The only problem being that Barnes was not sworn in as LT GOV until 1969 -- in May '68, when Bush was sworn into the Guard, Barnes was actually UN Representative to Geneva [klru.org].
The LA Times and CNN investigated these exact allegations in 1999, and concluded there was nothing to them. [cnn.com]
He's also a major Kerry [dfw.com] contributor [cbsnews.com] and lost his position at Lt Gov in a stock fraud scandal. [utexas.edu].
Re:It's worth reading some of the opposing views (Score:2)
And yes, the media exonerated Bush in 1999. Since then, disclosure after disclosure has turned up new evidence. Do you think you will be wiser to ignore new facts of the past five years?
In any case, his interview tonight should be very interesting to watch.
Re:It's worth reading some of the opposing views (Score:2)
Or that the LA Times story that investigated and discounted barnes in 1999?
Loo, all I said was "read the opposing material too". But, yes, I do think that if a guy
- claims he did something as Lt Gov six months before he was actually in the office,
- is a major Kerry backer,
- is a crook whose politic
This is ignoring the fact that (Score:2)
Re:Compare (Score:4, Funny)
That's an anti-matter explosion just waiting to happen.
Re:Compare (Score:2)
And I voted for Bush in 2000 - in Palm Beach County, FL. And likely will in 2004.
It's simple: I hate the neocons as much as any
Re:Compare (Score:2)
I haven't picked either party... I alway vote for gridlock.
That means, this year I'll be voting democrat. They could run Hitler... I'd still vote for him.
I simply don't want congress and the executive branch ran by the same assholes.
Re:Compare (Score:2)
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Evan
Re:Compare (Score:2)
Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:2)
It is damaging to our system of government to have people voting based on a bumper-sticker understanding of the issues. Take your rather bizarre belief that Kerry, his boatmates, the Navy and everybody *but* the SBVFT are lying about what happened i
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:3, Interesting)
Really?
First hand accounts: There are at least three different stories told by Kerry himself about his own actions in Vietnam, none of them
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:2, Interesting)
Until the records come out? Look what you said in your own post:
The Naval officer who's signature appears on Kerry's star doesn't remember ever issuing the commendation. What? The Navy lie!?! Thats unpossible.
Somehow I doubt you'd be saying this if the records supported your version of the story.
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:2)
What the hell does that mean? The records (that we have so far) do support me. If all these vets are lieing why doesn't Kerry just release the rest of his military records and show the whole world the "truth." Why doesn't he do that? Why let this long drawn out charade go on any longer if in fact he can prove all of the swifties wrong?
What is the point of making yourself look like a complete fraud if you know yo
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:3, Informative)
Commanding officer doesn't remember signing a medal award? Wow, guess the 10,000 others must've confused him. The figure you're thinking of was at the theater level, not John Kerry's personal CO.
If you look at the stories of Kerry and whatziz name who was on the third boat, they match. Mine explodes, gunfire, ambush, shoot out, people getting pulled from water, etc.
The story that's divergent is Thurlow's and the SBVT's. Thurlow was IN
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:2)
I find both believable. The Republicans certainly have a rather patchy record of honesty and I'm not sure how much I trust Kerry. But given a choice between them I rather think I'll prefer someone who may have (to put in a rather geeky metaphor) has edited his memory a bit sloppily over a group that seems to be willing to groupthink themselves
Re:Example of the problem with American politics. (Score:3, Insightful)
All we have is John Kerry's word that all the records on his website are all the records they are. We already know Kerry lied about being in Cambodia in Christmas 1968. Why should we believe what he
Re:Compare (Score:2)
The problem with the Navy's records about Kerry's medals is that most of them were awarded based on Kerry's own after-action reports, and the contents of those reports don't jive with what the swifties remember happening. Why did they not bring this up before now? Because they didn't know about it. Do you think t
Re:Compare (Score:4, Insightful)
Throw out the medals, the pay-stubs and the contriversal stuff. What do you have left:
W - helped into guard (low score, jumped to head of line)
K - volunteered for army
W - was part-time airman stateside
K - got shot at
W - flew planes over peaceful countrysides
K - saved lives of some soldier(s) in a fire fight
Purple Hearts, conflicting reports and missing records be damned. These are undisputed facts. The rest is just spin!
All this BS about medals is hypocracy. Kerry went, Bush didn't. Kerry saved lives in a crunch, Bush got dental work. What are we trying to compare here? Maybe Kerry didn't deserve all medals he got, but he deserves more than Bush.
And a little thing I've been wondering:
Why does an NorthEastern schooled boy from Connecticut have a texas accent when no one else in his family does?
You mean like Clinton? (Score:2)
Re:Dividing the Slashdot community (Score:2)
Friend, you can ignore politics, but politics won't ignore you.
Technology is all about politics: copyright law, patent law, outsourcing, regulation of the wireless spectrum, requirements for "broadcast bits", use of technology to support (or defend against) the police state or rampant corporatism.
Hell, model rocketry has been effectively outlawed to protect us against "terrorism".
Clinton tried to outlaw cryptography.
And Bill Gates would love to e
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
Now, with that said, there are a few little points tat ought to be noted:
John Calhoun [billhobbs.com] remembers Bush in Alabama, and Bush's dental records [washingtonpost.com] from Alabama have been found and discussed in the Washington post.
But
Oh, wait, the guy who does remember Bush is "unreliable".
But what about his dental
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
This is, no doubt, one of those pieces of "new" information.
It shows that Bush drilled outside of Texas at least once in the interval in question [myway.com].
(Before it even comes up, let's put a stake through one more point: no, you're not AWOL of you miss drill. That's not how the Guard and Reserves work, because everyone knows it's a part-time job.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
And it's 35 years ago.
So what you're
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:3, Interesting)
Furthermore, when you
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
Actually, 1927 was a little bfore he was born.
But yeah, he was missing from an activve alert mission in 1972. In October.
When was he in Alabama?
October 1972. (Also September and November.)
So what you've got is documentation that he wasn't in Texas in October 1972, and other documentation that he was in Alabama in October 1972.
A big part of the issue here is just plain dumb ignorance. Guardsmen don't necessa
Re:Defenders of Bush wanted (Score:2)
Perhaps that's true now, I don't know. But according to the linked Boston Globe story:
Re:Trying to come up with Terse Answers (Score:2)
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I let my flight medical lapse after I ran out of money for flying. Since that's not the case with a military man, I have to question - Why would a pilot in the Air National Guard let the most basic requirement for flight lapse unless he were simply not going to do the job?
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