ICANN Wants Immunity
Posted by
kdawson
on Tue Apr 03, 2007 02:44 PM
from the divine-right-of-the-Commerce-Department dept.
from the divine-right-of-the-Commerce-Department dept.
rprins writes "In what is perhaps a reaction to recent Homeland Security demands, a strategic report by ICANN suggests that it should take on the model of a private international organization (PDF). That would make ICANN immune from US law and regulations. However, it's unlikely that the Bush administration would grant ICANN these privileges. So the organization might opt to relocate to Switzerland where such privileges are easier to attain."
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Maybe they could bid for Sealand (Score:3, Funny)
yeah (Score:5, Funny)
So then it's more like ICANN'T, when you really think about it.
Immunity (Score:4, Funny)
Jack, this organization tried to KILL me!
More true to life. (Score:5, Funny)
Red Cross???? (Score:3, Informative)
For better or worse ICANN deals with a system carrying billions of 'all currencies' over the world.
But relocating to Switzerland would be soooooooooo cool!
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Moving to Switzerland? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I can see the US gov't just sitting by quietly while that happened.
Re:Moving to Switzerland? (Score:5, Funny)
"We fight the internet over here so we don't have to fight it over there"
"If the internet is not with us, its with the terrorists"
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Re:Moving to Switzerland? (Score:4, Insightful)
All in how you look at it... (Score:3, Insightful)
If by "waste," you mean "
Re:Moving to Switzerland? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Maybe that's why they want to go to Switzerland. Because the US invading Switzerland might look bad.
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They might wear a little too much make-up at times, but that hardly makes them a "rouge nation".
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They absolutely will not let it happen. DARPA paid for development of this and it's been run under government contract forever - the USG will never let go of the addressing system.
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Another organization that wants to be above thelaw (Score:2, Insightful)
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It might be something like that.
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It might be something like that."
More like roaches scurrying when the light is turned on.
That light of day can be a pesky t
Re:Another organization that wants to be above the (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Another organization that wants to be above the (Score:2)
DNSSEC keys (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Another organization that wants to be above the (Score:5, Insightful)
The United States want TOTAL control of where you go, what you can do, etc. They're going to use 9/11 to get anything and everything it wants in terms of our liberties. And the fact of the matter is that it simply doesn't have the right to do that. Not only does it not have the right to be that intrusive on it's own citizens, it sure as HELL doesn't have that right to be that intrusive on citizens of other countries! "Hey, Canada won't accept our demands to make their own version of the DMCA? Cool, we'll do it for them!"
The United States has justified everything they do lately with no more than two words: terrorism or paedophilia. Those are the heavy hitters that get people moving. Even if the subject at hand has nothing to do with either of those things, they shove their laws down the throats of their own citizens on those two principles, weather they like it or not, and if they can't have it become a law, then the US just does whatever it is anyway (see: domestic warrantless wiretapping, secret spying programme, the FBI abusing the Patriot Act, etc.). Now you want them to be able to do that with THE ENTIRE INTERNET?
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All thanks to America's benevolence, business sense, and good design. These people's usage of the Internet in no way diminishes America's right to do, what it pleases with it, though...
Re:Another organization that wants to be above the (Score:3, Insightful)
Because, where it's going under US law is atrocious, appaling, broken, and unwelcome. The relgious right in the US can supress the creation of new TLDs for
Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
Mind you, I wouldn't trust any other country more. Independence from national issues is pretty much the only solution.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Interesting)
Given ICANN's checkered past, are you sure you would trust an independent ICANN?
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Otherwise, having them move once will already remove some of their current "whip hand" regarding
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What? "I know he's a serial killer, but hopefully, releasing him on his OR will straighten him out." "I know Bush wipes his ass with the constitution, but hopefully if we just let him be he'll stop.
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That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that they won't take things brought up by the whole "rest of world" or the US serious
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Not really when consider that what ICANN "controls" is essentially owned by that country.
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ICANN? (Score:2, Insightful)
They dish out IPs and run DNS.
What exactly do they want immunity from?
All corporations want to be "above the law". Plenty move offshore to accomplish this.
Re:ICANN? (Score:5, Funny)
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I have a better idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
This, I can support (Score:3, Insightful)
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It's not a Christian thing, it's a conservative thing (the OP confesses to both leanings, as well as "libertarian" which is an even better explanation for the UN-aversion). I'm Christian and I support the U
Its a Trap (Score:4, Insightful)
Like the recent Registerfly domain registrar where they did nothing even as their domain names were lost until they were prodded into action by bad press.
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In other words, our choice is between the idiots.. (Score:2, Flamebait)
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Re:terrible news (Score:5, Insightful)
Utter crap! First up, the US is no different from Switzerland in freedom of expression laws, secondly ICANN never said they wanted to be under UN control, therefore they are under no obligation to bow to pressure from any country which would be a better position than they are in now (being under pressure from Congress - who have a grrreat track record in legislating on Technology law - thing DMCA)
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ICANN never said they wanted to be under UN control
Under whose control they want to be is irrelevan
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The President is moving (via the Dept of Homeland Security) to eliminate those previous freedoms en
Re:terrible news (Score:4, Informative)
"please name one example of a law that has changed to this effect."
Laws do not need to change in order for freedom of expression to be reduced or even wiped out. The political mood in the last 5 years has turned downright repressive; people in power will not hesitate to use their resources against you in case you dare express opinions against the current US political agenda.
Man arrested for wearing an antiwar shirt [cnn.com]
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Man arrested for handling toilet paper with Bush Face on it [indymedia.org]
Man arrested for dressing up and waving a fake gun [libertylounge.net]
Killed GI's mother arrested [cbsnews.com]
Re:terrible news (Score:5, Insightful)
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