Death By DMCA 414
Dino writes "There's a good article in the IEEE Spectrum, titled 'Death by DMCA', which talks about how whole classes of devices were eliminated, and how others won't even see the light of day as a result of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. One example is ReplayTV's TiVo-like devices which featured sharing capabilities, along with automatic ad skipping; the company was sued to bankruptcy, and the reincarnated device supported neither sharing nor ad skipping."
more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
This is cool, I don't have to change my "subject" lines for posts any more... it's all about the entertainment industry's state of mental health.
From the article: "These new capabilities did not please Hollywood. Jamie Kellner, then CEO of Turner Broadcasting System Inc., called skipping commercials "theft" and, along with 28 entertainment companies including major movie studios and television networks--such as Disney, Paramount, Time Warner, Fox, Columbia, ABC, NBC, and CBS--sued ReplayTV for contributing to copyright infringement."
WTF? Skipping commercials is theft? FUCK YOU Jamie Kellner.... FUCK YOU TBS, FUCK YOU Disney, Paramount, Time Warner, Fox, Columbia, ABC, NBC and CBS! So, for those not using some sort of tivo-like device, if they should step out to relieve themselves, is THAT theft?
It galls that devices are being driven away from the marketplace because they're too good. And it equally galls that layer upon layer of obfuscation continues to be heaped on existing technology, to the point that when something works, my heart palpitates: is it the signal?, is it the unit?, or is the FUCKING DRM that I somehow forgot to set correctly?
Also from the article (referring to the ability to create "unencumbered digital tuners": "The entertainment companies do not like the flexibility of these home-built machines--or, more significant to them, the flexibility of the machines that consumer electronics manufacturers could offer under the current copyright law and its Betamax rule." WTF?, again?
They don't like the flexibility of these machines? I'm willing to bet somewhere in their ad campaigns they're bragging on some feature they're offering as flexible, etc. Gawd, I hate the industry.
So, technology continues to improve in quantum leaps, but the governor that is the RIAA/MPAA consortium does everything in their power to ensure technology is crippled to their whims, to enhance their power and profit.
Has anyone read Player Piano by Vonnegut? Great book... pretty good story about technology and designed obsolescence, and the collapse therein of a society... I won't give away the ending, it's worth reading.
</vent> Thanks, I feel better now.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Informative)
Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:5, Insightful)
First of all, this was a damn good article, one of the most thoughtful and thorough ones I've read in a long, long time.
Second of all, non-U.S. citizens aren't safe. The RIAA and MPAA are pushing our government to force other countries to sign their digital freedoms away in trade agreements and treaties. The article specifically deals with this issue.
Remember, the guy who released deCSS was arrested for breaking no Norweigian law. The Pirate Bay guys have had their equipment seized for breaking no Swedish law. The point is that just as the U.S. flexes its military muscles in places like Iraq, it flexes its corporate muscles in countries such as the one that you call home, wherever that may be. And as weird and hard as it may be to believe, I'm 100% sure that the government in your country is just as capable of doing the same really boneheaded stupid things that the U.S. government has done given the right (*ahem*) incentives.
So no, this is not a problem unique to the United States. Yes, the U.S. may be the worst of the lot, and yes, a lot of this foolishness has arisen primarily because of corrupt greedy U.S. organizations who don't give a flip about consumers there or anywhere else, but if you believe nothing else, believe this: This idiocy will reach you in your supposedly safe and comfortable home country unless you are vigilant and active about stopping it.
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:5, Insightful)
The Pirate Bay guys have had their equipment seized for breaking no Swedish law.
The difference is that, in Sweden, this is a huge scandal, and great publicity for the fledgeling political party that's forming out of this debacle. It should be interesting to see what happens in sweden in the next election.
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:5, Interesting)
Way to go, police.
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:5, Insightful)
We got centralized Napster to introduce P2P to the masses, then things like Kazaa, Gnutella, eDonkey and Overnet, with them shifting focus more and more to decentralized implementations. Now we have BitTorrent which has a centralized tracker, but intelligently set up to not host or transmit anything copyrighted, which can both put it in a legal grey zone, and also make it quite easy to set up. And that's not even the cutting edge P2P tools -- these would be the existing and upcoming anonymous clients.
With a future, at least in Sweden where I live, of 10 and 100 Mbps connections fairly common, there's tons of redundant bandwidth all over in case you can accept e.g a 0.5-1 Mbps down/up speed which is more than enough for reasonably efficient piracy. And that extra bandwidth could probably be enough for "anonymizing" clients.
And once you get a fresh new P2P client to get very popular and using encryption with onion routing, I think that's the final nail in the coffin against **AA's "shut down" or even lawsuit strategy. They won't even know whom to sue, unless they venture into the painful realm of tracing through proxies. For effiicent shutdowns or suits, they simply have to move into banning encryption and proxies, and then I suspect pirates will finally find peace, because that won't happen. Tracing people through a maze of proxies in a popular anonymous P2P net is also something I seriously doubt even the police have the resources for on a massive scale.
It would be very interesting to hear **AA commentary on what they think of anonymous nets, something they've had the pleasure of not having overly popular yet due to less performance. But performance will increase proportionally to how popular the network is and how many can share their bandwidth.
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:3, Interesting)
Their response will be to try to outlaw that particular client and clients like it, and impose DRM technology on every user to enforce the law. How well that turns out might be a decisive moment for the future of culture, I suspect.
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:3, Insightful)
That's easy. They are terrorist tools and should be illegal. They'll get lots of support from the spook-overlords in the government too, probably end up reducing their bribery^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcampaign controbutions budget in the process.
The Police Bay (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:3, Interesting)
You're right about that-- it's the U.S. industries at fault. If we c
Re:Non-U.S.'ers not safe either (Score:5, Informative)
Umm a couple points, one he was in fact arrested after Norwegian law, just never convicted. Secondly, the woman leading the investigation against him, Inger Marie Sunde, need no help from the USA to be a 1984-happy control freak. She's tried to ban anonymous email (yes, she wanted to outlaw using free webmails like Hotmail or Yahoo from Norway), she's managed to outlaw anonymous cell phones and registration without showing ID, she's been airing thoughts about requiring ID to use a webcafe, every time there's been something like the RIP act in UK or the data retention act in EU she's all for it and in the broadest scope possible. Her latest suggestion is to allow copyright holders like RIAA and MPAA direct access to subscriber information without police or court oversight, and I mean absolutely none at all.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:4, Insightful)
Mr. President, the correct term is "empire." 1/2 :)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Tell that to the administrators of The Pirate Bay.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
However, I'd like to ask a simple question. If the networks can no longer count on people watching at least some ads, how are they to pay for content? The day most people have "auto-commercial-skip" is the day advertisers stop paying to be a part of the program. At that point, the networks would have to charge the consumers directly. Are you interested in paying even more for cable TV then?
I'm not saying it's theft or agreeing with any of the other comm
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd say that there's plenty of room for other means of revenue. Product placement in show, micropayments, paying to download the show ala iTunes, not giving their actors a million a show, dvd sales of the series, etc. There are lots of revenue streams that the station currently makes money on; they just need to enhance a couple and stop spending so extravagantly and they'll be just fine.
We need to stop worrying about them, and they need to start worrying about other content usurping their marketplace. In the future, their actors will likely be paid less and they will likely make less money. But that's a direct result of us having more to occupy our free time. That's business, and they need to plan for it, not try to legislate it out of existence. But so far, they're winning with the legislation so they're going to keep pushing it.
Actually, the legislation is a very bold move to prevent other content from usurping their marketshare, and what we're reading on slashdot is the natural backlash to their effots. They've made their decision, and are going to try to execute their gameplan regardless of criticism because billions are at stake here. We need to vote with our votes, because nothing else will work. They have way too much money and influence currently to vote with our wallet or our voices. They're going after the legislators, and so far they're winning them over.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
Today, all the politicians are people who lived through Vietnam and Watergate. It doesn't seem to have made them any less inclined to invade other countries on the slimmest pretext, nor does it seem to have made them any less inclined to commit crimes in office and then lie about them.
Optimism (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
I wish there was some merit to the idea that future politicians will have a more modern viewpoint (even if their views are 20 years old by that point), but I'm not convinced that we will elect leaders who are any less susceptible to corporate (or other special interest group) influence, or that any
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess that's the broadcasters problem, not mine. They should adapt their business model around this. Maybe air shorter, more interesting and targeted commercials, that people want to watch. I am willing to fill a questionnaire to help them select the best commercials for me. I don't know and I don't care how they would pay for content.
However, what they should not be allowed to do, is telling me what I can do with my TV and my video recorder, in my house.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
How about "that's their fucking problem not mine"?
Pro-capitalism, pro-"free trade", pro-whatever-you-think-that-is americans (I'm not american btw) usually point out that the market sorts itself out, how about letting it sort itself out for once?
They could switch to 100% pay-per-view, or a single "free" channel and some for-pay channels, or they could die altogether for all i'd care, but the fact that their current business model would be fucked is not a good enough reason for me nor for anyone else to accept that kind of crap.
How are they to pay for content? I don't give a fuck, seriously. It's their job to figure it out but it's not their job to make it impossible for me to get devices I'm interrested in.
Progress always win in the end, while they can delay the widespread use of TiVo-like devices they can't slaughter it altogether, they're merely getting some more time.
Of course not, I don't need to come up with "reasonable alternative business models", nor does the GP, I'm not a content provider or anything, it's not my job. If they can't come up with alternative business models by themselves then they're better off dead, and the sooner the better, other more intelligent guys will think of something and take their place in no time.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
How about "that's their fucking problem not mine"?
Sure is, and they're trying to solve it. Look at it this way - for the people working in those companies, it is their job to get you to watch TV and more specifically watch those ads. They will pursue all means that they think are ethical/legal and probably some that they don't. But it's their job, and you can hardly blame them for doing it any more than they can blame you for flipping burgers at the local Mickey Ds (or whatever your country has - but I live in Switzerland at the moment, and even these guys have the golden arches). Obviously they haven't yet come up with better ideas. When they do, they'll get implemented, and given the quality of technical skill some Slashdotters have, there's even a chance that the solution could come from here.
We're getting back to copyright issue, I think - it's their content, according to current copyright law, and they think they grant you a very specific use - to watch it on your TV. You, on the other hand, think that once they broadcast the content to you, it's yours to do with as you please. In this case, the law would appear to disagree with you. Until and unless a majority of people within the US share your view, which will not happen until you can share it without cussing and sounding like a fool, then US law will continue to protect the interests of those TV networks. Unbridled anger rarely serves effective change.
Sure is nice to see one of my posts stir up so many comments, though.
Well that's the issue, isn't it? (Score:2)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Trying to stall something has never been a solution has never been a solution, and couldn't ever be called one.
Works wonder since I don't own a TV anymore.
Point is that they're not even trying to, the only thing they're trying to do is to keep the current statu-quo.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Playing at being King Canute is unlikely to solve anything.
Look at it this way - for the people working in those companies, it is their job to get you to watch TV and more specifically watch those ads They will pursue all means that they think are ethical/legal and probably some that they don't.
The problem with the latter is the way in which corporations are not exactly treated as people. i.e. they don't get jailed or subject to bail conditions when accused of b
King Canute solved a lot. (Score:3, Interesting)
You seem to remember that Canute commanded the tides to stop and have taken that as an example of a ruler out of touch with reality. The folks who think it is their job to stifle technological progress in order to preserve their employer's profits may be disconnected from reality. (However there is more than one reality - I cite the leadership of North Korea, Iran, and Cuba as examples)
But back to the misremembered monarch. In a nutshe
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
I beg to differ. You can blame them, and in fact you should blame them. That is how a market economy works: if I don't like that a certain shoe manufacturer profits from child labour, then I blame them for it, and stop buying their shoes.
When we accept questionable and dishonest behaviour from corporations, simply because it is somehow expected of them, then that is how they will behave. The truth is, it is expected from them only because we accept it. If we didn't, it would no longer be profitable and they wouldn't do it. Companies have no intrinsic moral; their only moral stems solely from the criticism we as consumers place on them. Humans are the only source of moral in the system, and we must use it.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
The RIAA does precisely this, albeit with the threat of lawsuits instead. There is no doubt at all that these actions are cr
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Informative)
Okay, well, you're making it clear now that you're trolling, but I will respond once more, anyway, since I believe some of your thoughts basically coproratist crap and should be shown as such, lest some poor newb mistake you for a realist and be misled... besides, I have a few minutes during commerical ...
It may be common, bu
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
Have you never once wondered why almost no one objects to Google's ubiquitous ads?
Perhaps you think it's because they bribe us with all those cool toys. I thought about that. I don't believe it.
I think it's because they offer the ads. They're easy to ignore.
You can skip right over them without even noticing.
But, say the networks, if they can't shove ads in your face for twenty minutes an hour, and sue you for ignoring them, they'll go broke? They're running ads for companies that can't sell their product without bludgeoning people into insensibility. "Revolutionary new garden tool!!!! Makes a great gift!!!!". Christ, buddy, they're trying to sue us for not watching spam.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2)
I have a friend who inteneded to do a Master's thesis on television advertising. She had to abondon it. It turns out she could not watch television advertising, even when she wanted to, because her brain had been trained to auto-skip them.
She is an extreme example, but we all mentally (or even
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
Technological advances have cut costs across the whole industry, yet the monopoly protected businesses costs go on rising all the time. Have you considered the possibility that, in fact, the content is expensive because it's protected, not the other way around?
Opensource has shown us software can be produced at a fraction of the cost. Music has been freely produced for centuries. We're seeing more and more freely produced approaching quality pictures.
Maybe the networks dont have to charge consumers, maybe the producers need to damn well cut their coke habits down a notch.
"Are you interested in paying even more for cable TV then?"
Are you? Every serious analysis of the pricing shows that more protection equals _higher_ pricing. The day you're locked into a clockwork orange type setup in front of the TV, you can be damn sure the commercial break isnt ending. Ever.
Almost every other economic sector has to play by free market rules; it's time for the IP sectors to do the same.
Alternative Business Model (Score:3, Interesting)
How to translate this into the US system? Well, let's start with PBS, as that is the only public broadcasting service the US has. To be on-par, PBS would need
Re:Alternative Business Model (Score:3, Interesting)
No, there's the small difference that Coke and Pepsi can't put me in jail if I opt not to pay the "tax" by buying generic soft drinks instead.
And if you think the US has a contentious political climate now, just wait until you put politicians in charge of all the funding for popular entertainment.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:3, Insightful)
Doesn't bother the BBC :-)
There is enough content on there to keep me busy for a while anyway...
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:4, Insightful)
They aren't; they should go out of business if they can't figure out a new business model under changing market conditions. In fact, advertising supported network television is obsolete.
but you need to put down emotion and maybe start coming up with reasonable alternative business models
Why do I have to figure out a new business model for them? Or why should Congress artificially limit technology just so that outdated business models continue to work?
Do you want Congress to pass laws against combustion engines so that the business model of hay producers and blacksmiths continues to work?
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2)
Also, I'm curious what the breakdown for cable service really looks like. I'd bet a fair amount of it goes to "distribution" by the cable company - i.e. Comcast - and very little to the networks or production houses that actually make the content. Anyone know?
Well, twenty years ago.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I later heard that the charge to Comcast went to a dollar per month per subscribing home.
Is it enough money to fund an entire network without 'commercial break' advertising? Probably not, unless all those people take cuts in pay (or their operation gets outsourced).
Which to me, is an entirely viable solution. The pay scales in the TV and movie industries tend to be pretty high....
As far as OTA distribution goes, I think that is a dinosaur marketing scheme that deserves to become extinct. If technology hastens this extinction - great. I certainly object to Congress passing laws to guarantee these bozos their rents.
The business model of television is based on blind advertising - interrupting as many people as possible, with the hope that *some* are not annoyed, but instead buy. Please let me illustrate by analogy.
Imagine a freeway, where every ten minutes, you go through a toll booth, where they stop you, tell you you smell bad or have ring-around-the-collar, and ask: "would you like to buy some deodorant? Soap? Your teeth are yellow too. We have whiteners."
For some strange reason, this is drives people away from the freeway, and toward private airplanes.
At the heart of the RIAA and MPAA lobbying is the demand by the toll-booth industry that private airplanes be forced to land every ten minutes and go through the toll-booth. Those toll booths made good money, and the tool-booth industry has a right to it.
From their point of view, people should have no right to bypass the toll booth, to bypass the insults to their cleanliness or beauty, to bypass the 'opportunity' to shell out some cash.
It seems to me there are three business models working here: OTA (charging advertisers 100%), Cable / Satellite TV (charging customers 25%, charging advertisers 75%), and subscription services (Pay-per-view, iTunes, XM Radio) (charging customers 100%).
For streaming media, only subscription services make long term financial sense to me.
"Broadcast" means not knowing your audience. Anything that shifts the cost to advertisers to subsidize consumers to choose broadcasts has made the fundamental mistake of disconnecting the money paid (to advertise) from the results.
It may work today, but (barring Congressional action) in twenty years it will appear as ignorant as junk faxes.
Re:Well, twenty years ago.... (Score:3, Insightful)
We already have this. They're called billboards.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, the thing about trade is that it only works when both parties are getting a good deal. Trade works because commodities have different values to different people. If my time is worth less to me and more to them, and the entertainment they can provide is worth more to me than it is to them, then this is a good trade and everyone is happy. The problem is that it isn't.
Is 40 minutes of entertainment really worth 20 minutes of your time? Possibly if you're on minimum wage, and even then it would be a close-run thing. A decade ago, (in the UK) it was much closer to 10 minutes or my time for 50 minutes of entertainment, which was a significantly better deal. Even then, I much preferred watching the BBC channels that didn't have adverts.
A couple of weeks ago, my TV broke. Since then, I have not bothered getting it fixed. The only thing I watch these days is Doctor Who (and I have enough friends that also watch it that I can watch it with them if I don't have a TV).
I have, effectively, withdrawn from this trade. If the media producers wish to tempt me back, they need to make a better offer. Fortunately, they have. I can rent DVDs of most shows I would watch very cheaply. If I could do this over the Internet for the same (or a lower) price, then that would be even better.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
Bills have already been introduced making it illegal.
Toilet-going, water-drinking, talking, etc., will be outlawed in a few years unless its for buying a product shown as advert.
No, am NOT joking. With the lawyer-shit in control of entertainment companies, it will be only a few years from now in US that these would be illegal. These STUPID laws would then be exported to other countries either through "trade" negotiations or "peace missions".
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:4, Insightful)
Sad part is, had I not read an article detailing the DMCA's younger (but 10x scarier) brother, I wouldn't believe you. It seems unthinkable that they would make it ILLEGAL to change channels.
Yet that is exactly what the bill calls for. Forcing TV's to refuse to allow you to change channels during commercials, and impose huge penalties for 'interfering' with the technology that prohibits channel changing.
It's sickening.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2)
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2)
Sorry, but this is old news. Jamie Kellner has said previously [slashdot.org], that there is only "a certain amount of tolerance" for peeing.
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:2, Funny)
I think you just did.
STOP GIVING THEM MONEY (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, I have no confidence in PAC's, lobbyist, or letter writing campaigns. They (MPAA members) need to feel some pain.
If you buy a CD, DVD, or go to a movie you are supporting these bastards. Just stop, and tell everyone you know that you've done so.
For myself, until BOTH the DMCA and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension are repealed, they'll not get a dime from me; I will cost them money at every opportunity. I'm not interested in giving
Re:more proof the RIAA/MPAA are insane (Score:5, Insightful)
In Communist China, if I purchase a legal VCD of The Incredibles at HMV and rip it to my iPod video, I have not committed a crime.
Guess which country got my money when I wanted The Incredibles on video.
Seriously... (Score:2, Interesting)
...when is somebody going to call the RIAA and MPAA out on RICO charges?
Either that, or disband them by force - let them be first against the wall when the revolution comes!
Re:Seriously... (Score:3, Insightful)
When the masses awaken, corporations will listen (Score:4, Interesting)
For the moment, DRM and all of its related ridiculousness is the concern of geeks. We're the ones who are informed about the problems with DRM and the slippery slope that it's sent us down.
If things continue to get worse (and there's no reason to believe they won't), it will get to the point where the general public will no longer line XYZ Company's pockets. And when you hit the bottom line, you suddenly start speaking that company's language.
Re:When the masses awaken, corporations will liste (Score:2)
Re:When the masses awaken, corporations will liste (Score:3, Insightful)
OTA Television is not encrypted, so there is no reason to avoid television because of DMCA, yet.
Like you'd need another reason to avoid television.
The only way to fight the DMCA (Score:2, Insightful)
Otherwise, this article reads just like any other rant on the DMCA. Honestly, why can't anyone think beyond "all your stuff should be free!" mentality. It won't work. Music is a bussi
Smuggling opportunities (Score:3, Insightful)
It was never about piracy (Score:5, Informative)
This is about controlling what you watch and how you watch it. It's about protecting their advertising revenue. It' about making you buy a new copy of your favorite content every time they change formats.
here's the proof that they're evil (Score:5, Informative)
In 2003, 321 Studios, of St. Charles, Mo., launched a software product called DVD X Copy for these more typical DVD owners. The company built in aggressive measures to prevent piracy, including an antipiracy splash screen that appeared when viewing any copy and watermarks that would enable copies to be traced back to those who made them. The management at 321 Studios hoped that these cooperative measures would stave off Hollywood's wrath.
The company was wrong. Before the DMCA, 321 Studios would have been on relatively safe legal ground. From the time of the Betamax case, U.S. courts had made it clear that copying devices were legal so long as they had any substantial lawful use. But the DMCA changed the rules. When the movie studios sued 321 Studios, the Hollywood contingent did not argue that any of their movies had been unlawfully copied. Instead, it said that the product circumvented a "technical protection measure," which in this case was the Content Scramble System (CSS) on DVDs.
The CSS is the scheme Hollywood uses to encrypt movies on DVDs. Decryption requires a key, which manufacturers of DVD players obtain by signing a license with the DVD Copy Control Association, a consortium of movie studios, including Fox and Warner, and technology providers, such as Intel and Toshiba. This license, in turn, forbids licensed devices from making digital copies of DVD content or from offering playback modes that the studios disapprove of. (DVD recorders can copy only unencrypted digital material, such as home movies.) The licensing rules and DMCA put companies like 321 Studios in a quandary. If they signed the license in order to obtain the CSS decryption keys, the document prohibited them from using those keys in software capable of copying a DVD. If they didn't sign the license and forged ahead anyway, deriving the CSS keys on their own, they risked prosecution or a civil suit under the DMCA for circumventing the CSS. After consideration, 321 Studios opted to go forward without a license. The DMCA quickly washed away DVD X Copy. After the movie studios prevailed in court in 2004, manufacturers pulled DVD X Copy and similar ripping tools off the U.S. market.
Re:here's the proof that they're evil (Score:2)
CSS cannot be fixed but its replacement proposed for the new formats has an update mechanism whereby your player can have it's firmware updated
Re:here's the proof that they're evil (Score:5, Insightful)
The point is to remove fair use loopholes. With CSS, any unencrypted copy of a DVD is prima facie evidence of the crime of circumventing a protection mechanism (created by the DMCA).
CSS is there to make MPAA thuggery legally easier as much as to prevent any copying.
This is why DRM will work (Score:5, Interesting)
Given the choice, the customer would buy the "better" product. The "better" product, for the customer, would of course be the one that offers him more liberty.
Now, devices that do that will vanish from the market because their companies are sued into oblivion. Result: Only crap can survive.
The customer is left out of the loop, as the deciding mechanism which items should survive on the market, which is actually his responsibility and role in a free market.
Free trade is dead. Welcome to the world of
Re:This is why DRM will work (Score:2)
Well, it would usually be a plutocracy, but luckyly for us we now have a much better term to call it: a corporatocracy [wikipedia.org] where laws are made by and for corps (yeah, it is a neologism and you won't find it in your dictionary). Corps being owned by the richests, it boils down to plutocracy in the
in before the "just dont buy it" straw man.. (Score:2)
modern DRM is a result of large scale collusion and/or caving by electronics manufacturers, standards groups, hollywood, the FCC, and many other private parties.
who do you boycott? all of them? well then be prepared to live in a cave, eat by candle light, and hunt for food again.
Re:It's called (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, they might stop companies... (Score:3, Insightful)
All the *AA will ever manage to do is drive the sharing and fair use into a dark underground where they can never be able to find it without spending all of the money they do make. At that point, they will have to blame the loss of sales on their own crappy content, and their insane business practice of financially murdering any company that stood even half a chance of helping them find the 21st century.
Yep, so by all means, lets all work together to help the *AA find the real world, and do all our sharing underground, off the net, so they have only themselves to blame. Who knows, it might work..... NOT
Can't we just shoot them now?
Seriously, this is just one more reason to have them outlawed for monopolistic and draconian business practices. I personally don't see anything wrong with making *AA groups illegal... If enough of us vote, well, you never know...
Proof we are not a democracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Proof we are not a democracy (Score:2)
Which is pretty much the same thing as what you said.
Re:Proof we are not a democracy (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Proof we are not a democracy (Score:2)
Democracy is the problem. Your vote is useless because everyone else ends up voting for the person out of two they hate the least. Elections are won based on what the general public thinks of the opposition. Real issues are lost behind a cloud of misdirection from both sides. Plus the media, who are being fed lots of money, are feeding the public
Re:Proof we are not a democracy (Score:2, Insightful)
Some States have issue-based ballots where you vote on specific issues. The feds could copy this model.
imagine how hard it would be not to be corrupted by the RIAA/MPAA.
Right now it is *legal* for organizations like the **AA to give campaign donations. Perhaps tha
Proof we are not capitalist (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Proof we are not capitalist (Score:3, Insightful)
That is only true in a free economy.
Once the government gets involved and limits that freedom, things like black markets and "the underground" come up.
The media companies are not interested in being part of a free economy, they are interested in control and big bucks, and they pay government officials regularly to ensure this lack of freedom.
GeekPAC (Score:5, Interesting)
already done (Score:2)
Now get your ass over there and donate!
oops (Score:5, Informative)
These are the choices we make (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's what needs to happen: put your money where your mouth is. Set up a PAC (Political Action Committee); fund it liberally so it has a lot of clout; and let it loose after the politicians who sponsor legislations which hurt consumers. In the end, it's all a matter of money. If you people are willing to put your money where your (loud) mouths are, then you can expect change for the better. Otherwise, just bend over and take it quietly from the *AA.
EFF has its place; but it's not a PAC. You need a Consumer's PAC, with at least $10M+/year of budget, to have a serious impact.
Re:These are the choices we make (Score:2)
I can't fund 10M a year by myself. That's exactly the problem we're facing. We're many, but we're not organized. Together, we'll probably have more money on our hands than the RIAA and its henchmen combined. But they have a structure behind them, and money too.
And how many of us will think "Well, 5k a year... with that money, I can just go and buy the DVDs/Games/whatever I want..."
Done.. ipaction.org (Score:2)
All this surprises you? (Score:4, Insightful)
Consider this - though the (analog) VCR was invented by Ampex, a USA corporation (now defunct I believe), not a SINGLE VCR was ever built in this country! I don't believe that there is a single motherboard or other computer part that can claim to be 100% USA made either.
We are a country of takers and users and Congress leads the pack in taking! WHEN (not if) our style of living falls flat on its face, we'll have no one but ourselves to blame!Re:All this surprises you? (Score:2)
The late great Mancur Olson (Score:5, Interesting)
We are looking at a classic example of this. Consider those who profit from the DMCA. Olson's insight was that it is in their interests to impose costs on society as a whole which are many times, maybe 100s of times, greater than what they themselves receive, as long as what they receive is more than they otherwise would.
Let interest groups carry on behaving like this for year after year, and gradually the costs imposed on society become so great that economic growth slows or stops totally.
Then, only a dramatic structural change, abolition of the accretions, will help. The good news is, it helps dramatically.
In an ideal world, the various Federal Agencies would counterbalance such interests, because they, being nominated by people elected on a broader basis, will have it in their interests to represent the country as a whole. However, special interests are ingenious and find ways through, and this only works by fits and starts.
It can be done. Thatcher did it in the UK. Democracies can do it, when they see the need. This is the good news, the bad news is, it has to get pretty bad first!
Re:The late great Mancur Olson (Score:2)
Re:The late great Mancur Olson (Score:3)
Yes, there is even a name for the phenomenon - it is called Regulatory Capture. [wikipedia.org]
Hurting customers in more ways than one (Score:4, Insightful)
First, it hurts the end user or consumer by imposing government restrictions on how we use things that we "own". Or more to the point, we no longer own things that we buy.
It also hurts us that we don't see competition. This means higher prices, collusion, price gouging, and all the other nasties that come along with pseudo-monopolies.
We are further harmed by the lack of new jobs and opportunities. Real growth for our country is not in the 1000+ employee multinational corporations, but in the small companies employing 25 or less employees. The DMCA seriously harms innovation and prohibits companies that are more truly American companies from growing, making money, paying taxes, and employing more workers.
And we get the short end of the stick when these companies no longer need to innovate from the unnatural monopoly caused by the DMCA protects them from newer, more competent competitors. Not only do we not see the innovative, improved, products from fresher companies, we also see outdated technology from the companies that have lost the need to improve in a free market system.
I don't support the DCMA, however... (Score:4, Insightful)
My question is, if this is such a big deal, what are you doing about it? If every person who was pissed off about this gave $100 to a lobby to fight it, we'd have it overturned by next week. Imagine the political power that could be brought against the MPAA/RIAA if we took our DVD/CD money and spent it on lobbyists...
(voting and writing to representatives is for wimps)
Re:I don't support the DCMA, however... (Score:2)
Further, over the years they have sollicited and received support from such powerful groups as the ACU, the HRRC, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, and a sleu of other tech companies.
The obcene amount of power wielded by hollywood lobbyists, and the fact that several congressmen are directly receiving residual income from royalties(mary bono for one), continues to prevent the overturning of this special interest sell out.
Re:I don't support the DCMA, however... (Score:2)
Either we ('mercians) really do like the DMCA or we're hypocrites.
I miss the times Microsoft was the top bad guy (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft still is evil, and I know that they happily jumped into the DRM wagon too. But when I compare today's news with the past I get a chill. Our rights are being ripped in a astonishing fast pace, and hollywood is suceeding in making things that even Microsoft never dreamed off.
The sad part is that they are likely to succeed; The average people don't understand the ramifications of those laws, and when they question their representatives, they are easily convinced by some crappy explanation in the line that this kind of laws helps to prevent terrorism, or save americans jobs or something like that.
But the truth is that RIAA are a threat to capitalism and free market. They are blocking inovation, subverting the law, and turning law-abiding citizens into criminals without they even knowing that.
We have to stop them. Know! Maybe it's time for another Boston Tea's party.
Give Me Flexibility or Make Me a Criminal (Score:2, Interesting)
As a consumer I prefer flexibility. The more options I have for using a purchase the more likely I am to buy it. In what other industry exists the mentality that the more restrictions that are placed on products the better off the industry will be? Imagine if you could only buy a particular brand and style of shoes to go with a particular brand and style of suit or a particular brand and size of nails to use with a particular make of hammer.
Everything that the entertainment industry is suggesting is causin
Does anyone watch ads they record with Tivo? (Score:2, Insightful)
Whenever I use a VCR to record something, I really enjoy the fast forward to skip ads. In fact, I usually prefer using the VCR than watching the thing live for that very reason...
So I wonder. Does Tivo prevent you to make a fast-forward? Otherwise, wtf about this ad skipping capability... no one is gonn
Thank you DMCA, thank you MPAA/RIAA (Score:5, Funny)
Now I can sleep well in the evening knowing that after a day full of downloading copyrighted music and movies, not paying a cent for them and still making copies of what turns out not to be junk to give to my friends ... I'm doing my role to make this world a better place to live.
Suffocate them (Score:4, Interesting)
Forget it. It doesn't work. One thing works: stop buying and suffocate them. They are nothing without money. Money gave them power, no money, no power.
There's a mountain of evidence anyone could easily understand about how MPAA and RIAA make our life worse and are detrimental to our society.
We need people with marketing experience to help us pick out the major pain points MPAA/RIAA have created in the last years and bring them to the society in an easy to understand manner.
We need to spread the information to the casual folks so they know, and stop funding MPAA/RIAA, by not buying their products. We have to clearly point out the companies behind MPAA/RIAA, they should not be left anonymous.
I'm willing to participate if someone can organise a campaign with web dev/graphics & print design. Yup, I'm actually willing to do something. Anyone else?
Qoute by Robert Heinlein (Score:5, Insightful)
The article is incorrect regarding ReplayTV. (Score:5, Informative)
One example is ReplayTV's TiVo-like devices which featured sharing capabilities, along with automatic ad skipping; the company was sued to bankruptcy, and the reincarnated device supported neither sharing nor ad skipping.
I don't think SonicBlue actually went into bankruptcy, and its ReplayTV product was purchased by Digital Networks North America Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of D&M Holdings U.S., Inc. They own things like the Denon, Marantz, and Boston Acoustics brands as well as Rio and ReplayTV.
SonicBlue 5000-series models supported internet and local program sharing and both manual (Show/Nav) and automatic commercial skipping as well as a 30-second FF button (QuickSkip). The commercial skipping features navigate between marks which are created at the start and end of commercial advertising blocks that the unit detects and marks at show recording time (it isn't just a simple time skip). Those units still perform as they did when initially purchased.
Current 5500-series models still mark commercial blockss while recording and still fully support both Show/Nav (manual movement between block markers) and QuickSkip, so manual commercial skipping and the 30-second FF is still present, but the automatic commercial skip has been removed. Also, the internet sharing capabilities were removed.
I believe a 5500-series ReplayTV can be made to temporarily regain both automatic commercial skipping and internet sharing capabilities if the disk is reimaged with a 5000-series formatted disk, but I can't personally vouch for that (I own a 5000-series box myself).
Dream. (Score:3, Insightful)
Last year, I wrote to Senator Dianne Feinstein (apparently the best California lawmaker money can buy, given that she's the progenitor, all or in part, of so much of the anti-consumer legislation we're seeing) and voiced my concerns. I got a boilerplate reply implying my concerns were without merit, and that the preservation of movies and television and recordings were of utmost importance.
So, I'm taking matters into my own hands, inasmuch as I cannot form them into more than tiny fists against the RI- and MPAA hegemonies. I am canceling my digital and premium cable services, reverting back to basic. When a commercial comes on, I already turn down the volume and go to the can. Or go for a snack. I'll be sure to buy my CDs second-hand, and I'm not buying from the iTMS any longer. (For the love of Pete, people, don't rent your music!) I have no plans to buy new video equipment; my 1989 Sony 21" Trinitron will be my last video monitor when it breaks down, because what will I be able to buy other than a DRM-hobbled flatscreen? If I buy HD-DVD or Blu-Ray equipment, it'll only be for computer storage, that is, if the rights I currently enjoy with my computer still exist. If I go to the movies, it'll be at a Century or Camera cinema instead of one belonging to AMC, because AMC sees nothing wrong with foisting commercials on my girlfriend and I after I've paid twenty bucks for us to see a film. And when the fall quarter comes along at my local community college this year, I'm digging my saxophones out of the closet and signing up for concert band. Or perhaps the local non-profit production company's pit orchestra. I probably didn't touch on everything one could do, but, you get the idea.
If enough people did all that, perhaps those such as Jamie Kellner (he of the infamous not-watching-commercials-is-stealing quote) or Thomas Hesse ("Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?") would have no alternative but to rent themselves out as urinals.
Here are their names (Score:5, Interesting)
"In an attempt to put an end to all that, Hollywood has drafted the Digital Transition Content Security Act, introduced as H.R. 4569 in December 2005 by Reps. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) and John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.). This legislation, better known as the Analog Hole Bill, would impose a design mandate on any "analog video input device that converts into digital form an analog video signal.""
The RIAA is urging the FCC and Congress to impose design restrictions on any future HD Radio recorders to stave off a successful new mutation: a digital hard disk recorder that allows easy and flexible archiving of radio broadcasts. As similar devices have appeared for satellite radio, the recording industry has also begun pushing for legislation to restrict them, such as S. 2644, the Platform Equity and Remedies for Rights Holders in Music (PERFORM) Act of 2006, introduced by Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Cal.).
Hollywood lobbyists actually convinced the FCC to impose broadcast flag regulations in 2003, but a U.S. Court of Appeals found that the Commission lacked the authority to regulate the internal workings of televisions. Hollywood is now asking Congress to give the FCC that legal authority by passing the Audio Broadcast Flag Licensing Act of 2006, sponsored by Rep. Michael Ferguson (R-N.J.)."
What the DMCA is here for (Score:3)
Ahh you just need to keep in mind that the whole goal of the DMCA is to enrichen the.. oh wait that's not it.
encourage innovation. Ya that's it. Help make new technologies flourish, like um.. this one they're crushing now.
Re:dvd software for copying (Score:3, Informative)
Re:dmca loophole (Score:3, Insightful)
The US has strong armed most trading partners into adopting similar legislation.
It's usually not quite as brass as the original.
For example, over in the UK and here in Holland it's quite common to find large advertisements for 'Region Free' DVD players. Cable and digital broadcasters sell TIVO like recorders and advertise all these things that are so useful and forbidden in the US.
A different matter is that US customs would confiscate anything that would not comply with local laws, would the
Re:Media company's own greed spawned the devices (Score:4, Insightful)
Agreed...I'm one of them. I'm this close --> -- to canceling my cable TV subscription because (a) I don't watch it enough to make it worthwhile and (b) I pay for erxtra channels, and yet they have commercials. Wasn't the idea behind paid content (like cable) that you paid for the channels thus no commericals? Now I'm paying for commercials. Am I missing something or has cable TV slowly evolved into a type of commercial TV that gets revenue from ads AND paid subscriptions?