Piracy Setup Discovered in WV Capitol Building 352
arakis writes "Someone in West Virginia has apparently spent tens of thousands in state funds to acquire computers and video gear to copy movies and music. From the article: 'Ferguson confirmed Tuesday that his staff found the makeshift audio-video studio amid his widening probe into spending and other abuses at the state General Services Division.' Looks like some employees are getting the axe for everything from purchasing abuse to time fraud."
Time Fraud? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Time Fraud? (Score:3, Funny)
I was soooooooo hoping that this was in Orrin Hatch's office or something...
Re:Time Fraud? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Time Fraud? (Score:4, Funny)
And they found movies that were rated AAARRRRRHHHHH!!!
Re:Time Fraud? (Score:4, Funny)
you mean like we are all doing right now at work? oh crap!
Oh, no! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Oh, no! (Score:5, Informative)
It means "I'm a journalist and really have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll make up words that sound dramatic".
Re:Oh, no! (Score:5, Informative)
It means "I'm a journalist and really have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'll make up words that sound dramatic".
Actually, the author of the article never refers to "cracking" the headers of CDs. The article states "software 'commonly used to crack header codes on copyrighted materials such as movies and music to allow duplication,' Schafer's memo said.". Regular redbook audio CDs don't have any sort of DRM to crack, but many DVDs do, and so do DRM'd music tracks downloaded from services such as iTunes or Napster. So, while it may certainly be true that many journalists don't know what they're talking about, this journalist has said nothing incorrect with respect to cracking.
Re: Oh, no! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Oh, no! (Score:2)
Re:Oh, no! (Score:3, Funny)
Lots of them.
Re:Oh, no! (Score:2)
probably just a pompus way of saying (Score:2)
Re:Oh, no! (Score:2)
Plus, software to "crack" DVDs is free [mrbass.org] anyway. Didn't look like that was hurting their budget!
Re:Oh, no! (Score:5, Funny)
When translated from DontSueMe to English this goes like: "14GB of MP3s? I have at least as much."
Re:Oh, no! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Oh, no! (Score:2)
MPAA/RIAA vs Feds (Score:2, Funny)
I seriously doubt it (Score:2)
Currently, the government is in the *AA's back pocket. Why sue an ally?
Re:I seriously doubt it (Score:5, Insightful)
RIAA: "See the nice juicy carrot, you know you want the carrot"
Congress: "Mmmmmm, carrot"
RIAA: "Now we want you to pass a law making it legal for our representatives to hunt iPod users, because piracy supports terrorism, and all iPod users are pirates."
Congress: "Welll, I don't know...there are a lot of iPods out there..."
RIAA: "This is a stick. This is what you get when you don't get the carrot. Wouldn't you rather have the carrot?"
Congress: "Well, yea, but we can't just..."
RIAA: "BAD CONGRESS! *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* BAD LEGISLATORS MAKE THE BABY JESUS CRY! *WHACK* *WHACK*"
Congress: "Owwwww...okay, okay"
Re:MPAA/RIAA vs Feds (Score:2)
Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:5, Funny)
Therefore, these proud patroits in West Virginia (death to all tyrants!) were simply providing a means for Americans to purchase pirated movies without supporting Al Queada (or however they spell thier name). After all, we've learned that breaking the law is perfectly legal as long as you put the words "fighting the war on terrorism" in front of it.
Now, if we can just get them to take care of that whole "get money from oil revenues to finance terrorism" thing, and we've got it licked!
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:2, Informative)
West Virginia: Montani semper liberi - Mountaineers are always free
Virginia: Sic semper tyrannis - Thus always to tyrants (meaning death from the slain king in the state seal)
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:2)
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:2)
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:2)
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:2)
I don't consider myself in the upper crust when it comes to intelligence, but in that case I felt justified in feeling a wee bit superior
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:4, Interesting)
The state lines just kept shifting for a time back then so although the house did not move the residing state at the time did. I imagine it was kind of a tricky situation keeping track of those changes come census time with a house full of kids being born in different states from each other and their parents.
Re:Obviously, they were fighting terrorism (Score:3, Funny)
I lived in London for a little over a year. Towards the beginning of my stay, I was the butt of quite a few "dumb american" jokes. That's okay, I was a good sport; besides, most of what they were saying was both true and funny, so whatever. But the following, about two months into my stay, is when i realized the British are the only people on the planet more blissfully, ignorantly parochial than Americans.
On a whim, a co-worker asked me in front of about a half dozen or so others, how many state
Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. (Score:4, Insightful)
They did (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the pack. (Score:3, Funny)
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
"Capitol Records"
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
Re:Heh (Score:2)
Buh dum bum (Score:2)
*kick drum/splash*
"Studio"? I think not. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think "tens of thousands in state funds" is possibly a bit of an exaggeration.
Could be done cheaper.... (Score:3, Funny)
But maybe they are using numbers provided by RIAA or MPAA. Those always seem to be inflated.
Ask Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
not overspending (Score:2)
Equipment includes Shipping, cost of someone to recieves the goods, cost of set up, bandwidth used, etc. . .
Plus if he got any non-standard equipment.
So 10Gs is probably a good estimate of real costs.
Accounts for the government are the most accurate and anal I have ever had the pleasure of working with.
Much more accurate then any Corp I have worked with.
doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2, Interesting)
This suffice it to say reinforces the image of public sector workers abusing their state privaliges. I remember an interview with Wanda Sykes where she talked about her other job at her job while working at the state. I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.
...and with that (Score:2)
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, like private sector employees any more competent; and the CEOs are obviously less corrupt t
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2)
And don't forget AT&T to run the telecommications and Enron to run the energy infrastructure
oh.... crap
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2)
Maybe they are and maybe they're not. But private sector companies and their employees have to bid against each other for work. The company that provides the best service for the best price tends to win the business. Does the public employee union bid against anyone?
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2)
Reminds me of a call to Infocus (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Reminds me of a call to Infocus (Score:3)
These sorts of beaurocratic shenanigans aren't merely limited to governments. They occur WHEN EVER any organization becomes large enough that a single leader can't just walk around and get a handle on everything.
Your description of the small college could easily have been the last retailer I worked for.
Even if one assumes no corruption... (Score:2)
That means toll roads. And pricy, because those interstates aren't going to be getting money from the people who don't like to drive on them anymore. There will be no more children's services because the children don't pay for them, so no complaining w
Re:Even if one assumes no corruption... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2, Insightful)
I am a very strong supporter of teh privitization of many Government agencies. I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars being wasted by over payed gum chewing counter people who have no clue.
What a brilliant idea! Then you'll have all of the waste, fraud and corruption, and none of the oversight!
Simply brilliant!
*rolls eyes"
Having worked in corporate America for many years, let me assure you that such spending abuses are quite common there, too. Probably much, much more common, given that the
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2)
When you are a buearu, you need to look at impact 25-100 years into the future. You don't save 25% of the price of a pipes that will only last 10 years. A corporation would.
Most people have no idea why things cost more, they just say "yep, me cuda done dat meself fir the screw in ma garage and 2 doller spens at da hardware store."
Re:doesn't help the image of public employees (Score:2)
I'm baffled as to why this is relevant. First off, comedians are known to exaggerate things for comedic effect. Second, there's nothing that says you can't hold a 2nd job if you're in government (assuming the 2nd job is unrelated to your duties and you're not double clocking the time). Third, how does privatization fix this?
Privatization of New Jersey's DMV inspections was a complete disast
I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA (Score:5, Funny)
2. Place in charge of a group of geeks who actually know their jobs
3. Pay Fines!
Re:I bet the CIO/IS Director is a MBA (Score:2, Funny)
Look on the bright side (Score:2, Funny)
Look on the bright side, maybe the person(s) behind the purchases were filming some amateur porn and the state can sue their earnings to recoup some extra cash.
OT: Sig reply (Score:3, Funny)
There is an IHOP in Gastonia, NC that is located on Cox Road [know-where.com]. Urban legend has is that they used to answer the phone "IHOP on Cox". Say it out loud for the full effect.
Did Anyone Check The Content? (Score:5, Funny)
21st Century underground (Score:4, Funny)
And I remember when covertly distilling Moonshine was a problem!
Re:21st Century underground (Score:5, Funny)
Re:21st Century underground (Score:2)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=5029896 [npr.org]
Moonshining is still an issue . . . (and yes, the pun was deliberate!)
"Motion video?" (Score:3, Funny)
As opposed to what? Videos of still images? Someone sitting there with a photo album and a camcorder, I guess...goes to show you what people will do when they don't have a scanner...
Fired for overtime! (Score:5, Insightful)
Sometimes, an 18hour work day is exactly that.
Some places allow practically all the overtime you can log - simply because its cheaper to let you work greater hours than to hire/train somebody up to your role.
Firing them because they were hard workers is wrong.
Firing them because they made fraudulant claims is right.
(they do sound like the BOFH and PFY though don't they)
Re:Fired for overtime! (Score:4, Interesting)
This group was actually working hard, and doing legitimate 12 hour days, but by doing strategic 15 minute increments they were all able to charge 24 hours a day. This lasted for about a 2 week period.
They appeared to be quite proud of themselves.
Re:Fired for overtime! (Score:2)
Erm, doesn't sound crooked at all, actually, does it?
Legal advice (Score:2, Funny)
Square onions (Score:2, Funny)
I didn't know onions had corners. But you can bet that onions with corners wouldn't look right.
On another note, hahahahahahaha. Awesome.^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H--I mean...how awful.
Only 40 movies and 3,500 mp3s?
Whatcha wanna bet that the gear that hasn't been located yet has a lot more? And a nice CD and DVD archive nearby?
Gotta love that headline. (Score:5, Insightful)
tens of thousands in "piracy equipment"? "computers and video gear"?!
last time i checked my 3 towers and 9 hard disks didn't cost tens of thousands (and two of them are macs!)
piracy setup? come on now! a tower with dvd decryptor and a couple hundred gigs of avis and mp3's is now a vast piracy setup. that's funny. If this is the headline for such a pitifully small collection, i wander if the headline for the arrest of someone on my res hall would read "international organized piracy syndicate taken down".
Go for a drive sometime. (Score:5, Interesting)
You've never actually been on a drive through West Virginia, have you? Mind you, it's beautiful (the part that isn't up on blocks). For a state that's got a lot of territory just a short drive from the nation's capital, it's a funny mix of demographics. But yes, a rig set up (however modestly) to crank out physical copies of pirated media probably is a big deal to a lot of the locals.
Re:Gotta love that headline. (Score:5, Informative)
last time i checked my 3 towers and 9 hard disks didn't cost tens of thousands (and two of them are macs!)
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You didn't buy them from state-approved vendors who are on the official bidding lists.
State bidding lists work like this: when the contract is about to end, the state invites vendors to bid (more actually they obfuscate the process to make it more difficult to newcomers to get in on the process, so the system is weighted toward favored vendors), in a superficial effort to meet state law in controlling budgets.
In reality, the bidding process is made as difficult as humanly possible. The regulatiosn are hard to find, each responsible person tells you to call someone else, and the folks who succeed in getting in on it invariably are the ones who wine and dine the officials.
ANYWAY the bidding process usually gives you two optios:
- bid cost + percentage (which practically no one does because it would reveal the markup)
- bid MSRP/List Price minus a percentage (and as you know on most products list price may be as low as 30% over cost, or as much as 300% to 400% over cost on average for different products and brands)
Once you win the contract, you now have the "right" to sell directly to state and municipal agencies, completely bypassing any further bidding processes. This is intended to reduce the budget by being able to plan cost of operations up front, and to eliminate paperwork and delays introduced by conventional bidding processes. Unfortunately it's all to common for vendors to get in on the list bidding a PITTANCE of a discount (example: Dell, 2% off of list price, which is an inflated work of fiction) knowing that the process to get IN on the bidding is painful at best.
Even worse, the lowest bid does NOT always win on the bid lists (this goes for both state and GSA lists) and in fact the officials/agencies overseeing the bidding process can choose to ignore the bids and pick whomever the heck they want to win. They can cite support reasons (Yeah. Dell support is just WONDERFUL compared to local Dell vendors), size of the company, or any other contrived reason that sounds remotely plausible.
Re:Gotta love that headline. (Score:3, Insightful)
> hall would read "international organized piracy syndicate taken
> down".
Yes, of course it would, and if anyone in the building is from the Middle East there would be allegations that the operation was "financing terrorism".
The Hand in the Face (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The Hand in the Face (Score:2)
The technology thing is a red herring. What the case really underscores is the lack of oversight of employees using government purchasing cards. A $1000 limit to trigger review of a purchase may be too low, depending on the level of the employee.
In the next city over from me, this happened last year. Some city employees were using the cards li
The RIAA Could Sue (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.stockmarketgarden.com/ [stockmarketgarden.com]
Re:The RIAA Could Sue (Score:3, Informative)
Piracy in the workplace is common (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine.
Overstated? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it possible that most of that $88K went to legit computer purchases? 40 movies, 3,500 MP3s, and oh-so-common DeCSS software is all easily fit into one normal PC. And hundreds of blank DVDs/CDs isn't all that much - it's $100 worth of merchandise found on newegg. Sure, this guy was copying movies, but wouldn't bet that this is one of those "zero patient" cases.
Re:Overstated? (Score:2)
Re:Overstated? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Overstated? (Score:2)
Doesn't sound like they really need more computer equipment than the state auditor's office would given the departm
Re:Overstated? (Score:2)
I'd like to see figures for desk staff for each of the departments -- auditor's office employs 140-150, plus outsources if any (from a rough tally I did from their website). General Services has no website, so I couldn't get a count.
Also, more food for thought: The auditor's office is going to be more cost-effective in their purchasing. In any organization, the bean-counte
You seem to have missed something: (Score:2)
So it could be done with one computer, but this person(s) had more then one system.
Dollar to donuts they got away with the first purchase...just enough to rationalize as a mistake if they got caught, and then got greedy. Oreder lots of addons and low end PCs. You can get to 88K really fast.
I'll bet... (Score:2)
Count again. (Score:2)
Think you mean "both of the nerds in WV." Sometimes there are three, though (for less than an hour), depending on if I'm driving through on my way from the skinny part of Maryland south on 81.
some employees are getting the axe (Score:3, Funny)
The $25,000 question (Score:3)
Re:The $25,000 question (Score:2)
Re:The $25,000 question (Score:5, Funny)
My will is too weak to avoid the obvious joke... (Score:2, Funny)
Nephilium
I do! Both my parents came from WV... (Score:2)
At least one (Score:2)
Best use of government funds (Score:4, Funny)
Misleading headlines... (Score:5, Informative)
"Piracy" (Score:2, Interesting)
ARRRRR!!!! (Score:2)
Blow the man down!
Considering their getting the AXE (Score:2)
Almost a WHOLE iPod Video!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Sheesh, next he'll want more than 640KB of RAM.
Hundreds of blank DVD's? Oh wow, that's absolutely insane, considering they only sell them in spools of 50-100. I mean, i wouldn't even know where to put 2 or 3 WHOLE spools of DVD'rs, let alone hide them from satellite imagery.
Arrgghh! Pirates in W.VA? WTF? (Score:2, Informative)
Now, here is some info on REAL pirates and piracy:
"Modern Pirates Thrive on Global Trade" ( http://globalization.about.com/library/weekly/aa0 31203a.htm [about.com])
"Pirate attacks against ships increase, ICC report finds" (http://globalization.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite
and last but not least:
"Weekly Piracy Report" (http://globalization.about.com/gi/dynamic [about.com]
Small operation (Score:3, Insightful)
That sounds more like my iPod than a big time piracy operation.
Still, I hope they fire them all.
INCOMING (Score:2, Funny)
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Line 3 needs more cowbell.
Re:the movie rating (Score:2)