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35 Articles of Impeachment Introduced Against Bush

Posted by kdawson on Tue Jun 10, 2008 06:52 PM
from the high-crimes-and-misdemeanors dept.
vsync64 writes "Last night, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) spent 4 hours reading into the Congressional Record 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush. Interestingly, those articles (63-page PDF via Coral CDN) include not just complaints about signing statements and the war in Iraq, but also charges that the President "Sp[ied] on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment,' 'Direct[ed] Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens,' and 'Tamper[ed] with Free and Fair Elections.' These are issues near and dear to the hearts of many here, so it's worth discussing. What little mainstream media coverage there is tends to be brief (USA Today, CBS News, UPI, AP, Reuters)." The (Democratic) House leadership has said that the idea of impeachment is "off the table." The Judiciary Committee has not acted on articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney introduced by Kucinich a year ago.
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Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has submitted a resolution, HR 333, to impeach VP Dick Cheney on charges of "high crimes and misdemeanors." The charges were submitted on 24 April 2007. Congressman Kucinich has posted his supporting documents online, including a brief summary of the impeachment procedure (PDF), a synopsis (PDF), and the full text (PDF) of the impeachment resolution.
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  • by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @06:59PM (#23738649) Homepage Journal
    than Kucinich ever could. Many historians consider Bush to be one of the worst presidents in US history. And the funny thing is that Bush still believes that history will prove him RIGHT.....

    Plus, the Democrats are looking to rout the Republicans in November at least in the Senate and House(President is still a bit up in the air), doing something showboating like this can only benefit the Republicans.
    • by kharchenko (303729) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:01PM (#23739741)
      History is often a poor and indecisive judge. The Republican party will not dissappear and there will be plenty of people (including Bush himself) who will spend the rest of their days writing books on just how right they were. And while the general opinion of him and his sidekick will be certainly low, they will essentially carry no responsibility for their actions, and will spend the rest of their lives basking in the narrow but numerous circle of cronies. A very well-provided circle, I might add.
      • "Worst" in what sense? He's been remarkably effective as a leader.


        "Worst" in the sense of damaging the country more than helping it, and generally failing to uphold his responsibilities as well as failing to meet anything close to his stated goals in his largest presidential decision. But yes, he was certainly an effective leader, and he accomplished a great many things for his party, as well as running a very tight ship in terms of controlling Congress and the media. or, as Scott McClellan would put it, he was in perpetual campaign mode, and at that he was very successful. But perpetual campaign mode is not about success in substance, it's about success in contemporary perception.

        Substance is what history will judge his term on, and barring any major changes in the Middle East, it's unlikely to be kind.
  • Sex vs. Violence (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheDarkener (198348) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:07PM (#23738779)
    How interesting is it that attempting to impeach a president because he got a BJ and lied about it gets so much more publicity than one who kills thousands in an unjust war, breaks the constitution, and effectively turns a "free" country into a police-state. /me weeps for the future
    • by cervo (626632) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:16PM (#23738967)
      I highly agree. To me this is worse than watergate and yet both houses in congress sit by and do nothing. Really every representative in congress who does nothing should not be voted back. They are as much to blame as the president, maybe even more so because they gave him most of his power. But if G.W. got a blowjob by Condolezza (SIC) Rice there he would suddenly be impeached like crazy.
    • Re:Sex vs. Violence (Score:5, Informative)

      by slashkitty (21637) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:26PM (#23739167) Homepage
      "attempting to impeach a president because he got a BJ"

      Correction. "Impeached a president because a lying about a BJ". Yes, Bill was impeached. Look it up.

  • Is that I finally have a good reason to use the phrase "Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D'OH!)" in casual conversation.
  • Kucinich... (Score:5, Funny)

    by crhylove (205956) <rhy@leperkhanz.com> on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:13PM (#23738905) Homepage Journal
    ... is awesome. He's the only candidate I would have bothered driving to the polls for, despite the fact that when I got there diebold would have just erased my vote.
  • by spirit_fingers (777604) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:18PM (#23738981)
    While I applaud Dennis Kucinich for introducing his articles of impeachment in the House, I also realize that there's zero chance that the House will do anything but sit on them. The current Congress is filled with chickenshit liars and cowards. These are mostly the same spineless toadies who voted for Bush's fascist Patriot Act and his bogus Iraq War. There's no way they're going to impeach him. If they did, they'd only be implicating themselves. After all, they colluded with Bush to make it all happen. They rubber stamped his belligerence at almost every turn, most Democrats included. And to the ones who said they didn't know that Bush was lying to them when they voted for the Iraq war, I say BULLSHIT. The rest of us knew. The rest of us sat in disbelief in front on our TVs every night while the Big Lie was played out for us. A few of us protested against the inevitable nightmare. The Congress and the corporate media ignored us. And only now, when it's popular and risk-free to do so, do they cry foul.
  • by McDutchie (151611) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:37PM (#23739359) Homepage

    On a related note...

    A BBC investigation estimates [bbc.co.uk] that around $23bn (£11.75bn) may have been lost, stolen or just not properly accounted for in Iraq.

    For the first time, the extent to which some private contractors have profited from the conflict and rebuilding has been researched by the BBC's Panorama using US and Iraqi government sources.

    A US gagging order is preventing discussion of the allegations.

    The order applies to 70 court cases against some of the top US companies.

    (more [bbc.co.uk])

    • by grommit (97148) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @06:59PM (#23738637)
      Actually, I think it's a good idea to force representatives to read out loud any legislation that they propose/endorse. Maybe then they'll actually read the fine details instead of just signing off on legislation that lobbyists wrote up for them.
      • by Zymergy (803632) * on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:08PM (#23738795)
        Well, I agree with your point there.
        Now there needs just needs to be a Constitutional Amendment which requires the ENTIRE US TAX CODE to be read into the Congressional Record every single year for it to be legally binding! Of course, that would either require CSPAN to get another satellite or for the tax code to be shortened into the flat tax...

        Then again, I was under the impression that "earmarks" were not required to be read into the record either? Whoops... confusing the Congressional Record's purpose with that of Official Congressional Business as Usual...
        What? What was its purpose again? ...just a thought.
      • by mwa (26272) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:40PM (#23739393)
        Then you might want to get behind the Read the Laws Act [downsizedc.org].
      • by b4upoo (166390) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:07PM (#23739829)
        How about every bill being publicly posted without alteration for 90 days before any voting is allowed? That would stop a lot of bad legislation from being pushed through congress.
    • Congressman Dennis Kucinich read off all thirty-five articles of impeachment, each one accompanied by a great deal of supporting evidence, so that the other Congress Critters couldn't avoid hearing about it, and that at least people watching C-SPAN could witness it for themselves (as he probably knew it would get ignored by the traditional media). The vile actions of this administration need to rest on the consciences of all our representatives, whether complicit or just complacent.

      If you want to complain about wasting time in Congress, look up which party has done more filibustering in recent years. :)
      • by tobiasly (524456) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:51PM (#23739569) Homepage

        If you want to complain about wasting time in Congress, look up which party has done more filibustering in recent years.

        Whichever party is in the minority. Right now that would be the Republicans; a few years ago it was the Democrats. The majority party doesn't filibuster; they simply don't let legislation they want to die get out of committee.

        Not sure exactly what your point is though; many people would argue that filibustering is an important tactic to prevent a very narrowly divided Senate from railroading the minority party. I'd hardly call that a waste of time.

      • by b4upoo (166390) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:05PM (#23739793)
        Bush should not only face impeachment he should also be handed over to an international war crimes panel to be tried for the use of torture on prisoners.
        • No. There is still such a thing as a public that pays attention to these things. C-SPAN may not be your favorite viewing but plenty of people watch on a regular basis. Also, after six years of crimes, fraud, and self-dealing I think that we can afford four hours of truth.

          If we were to allow Congressman Kucinich ten minutes of airtime for every legally questionable act by the Bush administration, he would still have many hours of airtime left today. Or how about we do it one to one? One minute of airtime for every minute used up in White House press briefings by their fake journalist [wikipedia.org]?

          Four hours is a drop in the bucket. My only regret is that Dubya didn't have to stand in a stress position and listen to all of it and then recite it back.

          • Bush was only the figurehead and impeaching him will be temporary feel-good bullshit for the proles to digest.

            That 4-hour rant would be much more interesting if it described the seedy underbelly of the regime as a whole, to include Cheney, Rove, big Oil's insane profits, the conflict-of-interest contracts involving retired-military execs now working for the military industrial complex, the 9/11 snafu, the FBI/NSA/CIA/etc's blatantly illegal honeymoons with the major telecoms, and finally, a special thanks to Diebold for making it happen.
    • by LilGuy (150110) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:01PM (#23738681)
      The benefit I see from this is that it will go on the permanent record that SOMEONE did know what the fuck was going on in the world and decided to stand up and point it out. Regardless of whether he is booted out of office or not it is now a stain upon his much anticipated "historical legacy".
        • by jbeach (852844) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:06PM (#23739809) Homepage Journal
          Bush has a *Clear* fixation on historical legacy. He is always talking about how history will view him. Probably this is him wishing and hoping for a vindication of his reign, 'cause his approval ratings been in the dumps for 2 years now. If so, he's ignoring the evidence once again. Some president has to be the worst ever; according to 98% of historians he's taken the lead in that race.
    • by peipas (809350) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:01PM (#23738683)
      One could argue it is beneficial to tarnish a president's record with an impeachment when warranted by his conduct because it becomes a part of history. Particularly if this conduct is more than perjury over sexual conduct. Clinton's impeachment was a joke.
          • by jedidiah (1196) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:46PM (#23739503) Homepage
            No. Anyone else would have gotten away with it.

            They never would have been caught because no one would have CARED.

            There would not be the initial scrutiny and there would not be the continued witch hunt and bullying of witnesses.

            The "Law and Order" tactics would never have come up because
            under normal circumstances NO ONE would view it as a useful
            expenditure of the effort.

            The "crime" would never have come to light to begin with.
            • Mod parent up (Score:5, Insightful)

              by commodoresloat (172735) * on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:01PM (#23739745) Homepage
              The Clinton thing was blown out of proportion because they had a provable lie under oath. The fact that it was a lie about a trivial matter (trivial to the public anyway; obviously not trivial to the Clinton family) was irrelevant to the right-wingers who attacked him on what many of them saw as a matter of principal. The problem is the same principals are ignored when one of their own engages in provable lie after provable lie about matters of grave public importance such as war and peace. But Bush and co. have been smart enough not to find themselves in the position of uttering provable lies under oath (they avoided this simply by refusing to take an oath when testifying to the 911 Commission, for example, and by refusing to testify altogether). So we don't have the "gotcha" moment that we had with Clinton. I can agree that Clinton's lies were shameful whether under oath or not and that perhaps I'd have more respect for him had he come clean, but it doesn't change the fact that the issue he lied about was one I had no business knowing anything about in the first place. Whereas Bush & Co's lies have been about issues that the public does have a right to know, and thousands of Americans have died as a direct result of these lies. I hope people can see the difference.
          • by schon (31600) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:55PM (#23739641) Homepage

            Clinton LIED under oath in a federal court after taking an oath to tell the truth.
            No. If you view the media soundbytes, it sure looks

            Clinton was asked if he had sexual relations with Lewinsky.

            He asked the judge to define "sexual relations". The *judge* told him sexual relations means intercourse.

            Now, you might have a different definition, but unless you are going to try to convince us that he had intercourse with Lewinsky, then you must admit that he did not commit perjury.
    • by binarybum (468664) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:02PM (#23738693) Homepage
      why not? Is Bush incapable of doing further damage to the US in the next 7 months? I think not. Would an impeachment send a message to the current presidential candidates that they need to do something different and that they need to pay attention? I think so. If you had a family member in Iraq, and an impeachment led to a withdrawal of troops, would it have real benefit then?
      • by dreddnott (555950) <dreddnott@yahoo.com> on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:05PM (#23738747) Homepage
        You're dead on, I think. Kucinich's primary motivation for introducing articles of impeachment against Bush (and Cheney in the past) seems to be to stop us from going to war with Iran. That would seriously damage the US!
        • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:04PM (#23739785)

          Think about it. Who is supplying the crude
          Sorry to burst your bubble, but the USA procures more than 2/3 of its oil from North America, the bulk of which comes from Canada.. After North America, you might think the Middle East comes second but again you'd be wrong, it's South America.
        • by PhreakOfTime (588141) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:17PM (#23739993) Homepage

          In all of that, not a single mention of the alternatives to oil. Not a single mention of nuclear power. Not a single mention of wind power. Not a single mention of solar power.

          But the part that gave you away, was the part about "China is drilling off the shore of Florida, that should be OUR OIL". Because, you have somehow taken the fact that the straights of florida are 90 miles wide, and HALF of them are legally within the territoy of Cuba. 45 miles is ours, and 45 miles is theirs. Cuba has leased out the dilling rights to a company from China. Whats the problem with that? If the world oil market global as you say it is, then it doesnt really matter who is drilling it, as it will be sold to the person who pays market value for it.

          Its not OUR oil, its the oil of a sovereign country that happens to be within 90 miles of our own coastline. It makes me skeptical that you chose to not present that fact in your post.

          I know you made a mistake in typing out the first can(t) in the following sentence, but the humor of saying "If he can handle an interview with Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly, then he can't handle being president!" was probably the most amusing Freudian slip Ive seen in a very long while.

    • by khayman80 (824400) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:24PM (#23739125) Homepage
      There are several benefits to impeaching Bush now:

      (1) It will establish a precedent of impeaching presidents who are grossly incompetent and overstep the constitutional limits on their power. Future presidents will think twice before starting wars on false pretenses or torturing prisoners of war or illegally spying on citizens without warrants. Failing to impeach him would imply that these actions are acceptable, which WILL have an effect on future presidents' actions.

      (2) It will show the world that America realizes that we made a huge mistake by electing Dubya twice. Right now, we're the laughing stock of the world (see any opinion poll taken after 2003). This decline in world opinion has real economic and political consequences that, for the most part, haven't been felt yet. Impeaching Bush would help to show the world that America always does the right thing, albeit after exhausting every alternative.

      (3) It will remind Americans that impeachments can be used for something other than lying about blowjobs. Sometimes I cynically suspect that Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about his affair because they had the foresight to suspect that one of their own would be in this position today. (No, I don't actually believe this, but it's funny how convenient this sequence of events turned out to be for them...) It's a lot harder to push impeachment proceedings through Congress when the only impeachment anyone alive today remembers is one that centered around a trivial, non-job-performance related non-crime. Impeachments should be about high crimes and gross incompetence related to the duties of the office of the President, and impeaching Bush will help to restore some measure of seriousness to this procedure.

      • by Briden (1003105) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:16PM (#23738957)
        it's completely unfair to compare bush to a mass murderer.
        no petty mass murderer has ever been responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people.
      • by iminplaya (723125) <iminplaya AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:05PM (#23739789) Journal
        But in this case, the crime will continue. The killing won't stop. And if Bush is a criminal, then so is the congress that authorized him and handed over the money. And so are the voters who failed to watch over their representatives. Let's just say he couldn't have pulled it off without our support. It was handed to him on a silver platter.
        • by Antique Geekmeister (740220) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @08:17PM (#23739985)
          Oh, my stars and garters. I'm going to recommend that you study a bit more history. For US history, we have the unconstitutional Civil War, and for failed acts of foreign military regime toppling that cost thousands of lives, we have Korea and Vietnam. Iraq has surpassed the US death toll for the first few years in Vietnam, I admit, and the civilian casualties have been even more lopsided than Vietnam. But for greater death tolls by state sponsored slaughter, I suggest you look at Ethiopia. Or the genocides of Native Americans, or plenty of people around the world murdered to take over their nation's resources.
    • by Blackbrain (94923) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:03PM (#23738715)
      It needs to be done regardless of how long GW has left in his term. If we are going to pretend that the USA is governed by the rule of law, GW and his cronies need to be held accountable for the way they have violated the constitution. It should be done now to show that the checks and balances built into the system actually work. By not moving on these articles congress is exposing the fraud that the American democratic republic has become, which may be the point Kucinich is trying to make in the first place.
    • by jblake (162981) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:04PM (#23738727) Homepage
      What's the point?

      As the American Freedom Campaign put it in an email to members this morning:

      "The founders of our country feared more than anything else the prospect of an executive who put his own power and desires above the Constitution. Congress was given the power of impeachment so that it could remove any president who committed the high crime of violating the Constitution during his (or her) term in office.

      A strong case can be made that no president in the history of this country is more deserving of impeachment than George W. Bush. If he is not impeached, the bar for impeachment will have been raised so high that it might as well no longer exist. Future presidents will know that they can violate the Constitution at will, confident in the fact that Congress does not have the courage as an institution to do anything about it.

      We cannot allow this to happen."

      That's about as simple as it gets. Even if Bush only have seven months left, Congress has to set an example and exert its authority.
      • But Congress refuses to bring impeachment hearings. The night of the election in '06, Polosi declared that 'Impeachment is off the table'. Why? Well it's because they knew what the Administration was doing and did nothing about it. Like the rest of the gutless politicians, they were too afraid to speak out against the Administration, the war or the illegal tactics being used because the Republicans and the media whipped the country into a frenzy of blind 'Patriotism'. It took a brave politician to go against the tide.

        Congress will do nothing because it will expose their own complicity.

        As someone above stated, perhaps next year with a more activist Congress and the Bushies out of power, then maybe some of the truth will start to trickle out. We will probably never know how bad things really got. Thanks for nothing, Congress.

        Don't vote for any incumbents unless they spoke out when it was unpopular to do so.
    • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:11PM (#23738857) Homepage Journal
      >Everyone knows Bush will be gone in seven months. What's the point?

      There's a value beyond the symbolic one. Article I, Section 3 allows the outcome of impeachment and conviction to include "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States". We've had convicted felons re-hired into the Executive branch before. Impeachment and conviction could remove the risk of something like that happening.
    • by UncleTogie (1004853) * on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:43PM (#23739437) Homepage Journal

      Everyone knows this won't pass. Everyone knows that this will get tabled at the first opportunity.

      They better not... their own rulebook [wikipedia.org] says about the like:

      A direct proposition to impeach is a question of high privilege in the House and at once supersedes business otherwise in order under the rules governing the order of business (III, 2045-2048, 2051, 2398; VI, 468, 469; July 22, 1986, p. 17294; Aug. 3, 1988, p. 20206; May 10, 1989, p. 8814; ept. 23, 1998, pp. 21560-62; see Deschler, ch. 14, 8). It may not even be superseded by an election case, which is also a matter of high privilege II, 2581). It does not lose its privilege from the fact that a similar proposition has been made at a previous time during the same session of Congress (III, 2408), previous action of the House not affecting it (III, 2053).

      Unless they've got a darn good reason not to move along with this, they've got to deal with it...before anything else, it seems, but I'm not lawyer-shaped.

      I'm just glad someone, anyone more like, finally pointed out the emperor has no clothes...and hasn't for a while...

    • by I_am_the_cheese (1264298) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:08PM (#23738803)
      From http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/clinton/clin826.htm [usatoday.com] How impeachment works: The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the power of impeachment - the constitutional equivalent of an indictment - and gives the Senate the power to try all impeachments. The first step in removing the president is the approval of articles of impeachment by the House Judiciary Committee. A majority vote of the full House is then needed to impeach and send the case to trial in the Senate. The chief justice of the United States presides at the trial, and a two-thirds majority of those senators present is needed to convict. Conviction results in automatic removal from office. Most of the house and two thirds of the senate are needed, and they have to decise that he has committed a crime. If so, the person being impeached will be removed from office and the next in command takes the post. *shudders at a Cheney presidency*
        • by amRadioHed (463061) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:46PM (#23739501)
          Clinton was impeached and was found not guilty, that's why it didn't "get you anything". It got Bush something though, since the process was politicized so much that our congress is now afraid to do anything despite the very real crimes this administration has committed.
    • by i_love_unix (1123543) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:18PM (#23738989)
      IANACL (I am not a Constitutional lawyer) but the Impeachment process goes something like this:

      1.) One or more Congressmen in the House of Representatives present the Articles of Impeachment for consideration.
      2.) The House considers the Articles and says "yea" or "nay"; A yes vote (a simple majority is required) acts like an official indictment against the President. This is the actual "Impeachment" that everyone talks about. A common misunderstanding is that Impeachment means removal from office. That takes place in step three.
      3.) If impeached, the Senate acts as the jury in a trial presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. If convicted (this part requires a 2/3ds majority of Senators), the President is then removed from office.

      Two Presidents have ever been impeached. Andrew Johnson (succeeded Lincoln after his assassination) and Bill Clinton. Johnson resigned before his Senate trial and Clinton was aquitted. Richard Nixon was never officially impeached, but he resigned after it became clear that not only would be be impeached, but that the Senate would remove him from office.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States [wikipedia.org] The Wikipedia entry has more info.
    • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:16PM (#23738969) Homepage Journal
      >all that is needed is approval from the Attorney General

      The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, passed by an overwhelming bipartisan majority, requires approval from a judge for eavesdropping.

      Even if the Attorney General could repeal laws, in this case the Justice Department had decided the program was illegal and Ashcroft refused to sign off on it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051500864.html [washingtonpost.com]
    • You would know that a law is only valid insofar as it is authorized by the Constitution.

      Article VI

      ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

      Amendment IV
      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      I have mod points. But I want you to repeat for us your assertion that the Attorney General has the power to issue warrants. Alternately, you may explicitly state your belief that a law may override the Constitution.

    • Re:What a Joke (Score:5, Insightful)

      by joocemann (1273720) on Tuesday June 10 2008, @07:50PM (#23739551)

      Dennis Kucinich is such a joke and a waste of time with is posturing. Bush isn't going to get impeached any more than Clinton was ever impeached - and for precisely the same reason. The president's own political party in each case will block it in the Senate, provided it ever gets there to start with. Kucinich is a fool, and has just demonstrated it to the world!
      It is not foolish to speak truth. It is foolish to let fear overcome your power as a citizen of a democratic country.

      And then your signature tells us the irony in your ad hominem for kucinich.